Help identify this key

[Bco]

Hi all,

I'm far from a locksmith, just a regular guy trying to get a spare key made for his front door...

So far both the hardware stores and the locksmith I have tried have been unable to produce a working copy. They have all had a blank that looks identical at first glance, but is actually a mirror image of the key I need.

Can anyone identify what blank I would need for this key? Hoping I can order one off eBay/Amazon and get a working spare cut.

Thanks for any help

[jeffmoss26]

The 'T' makes me believe it's a Schlage T keyway, part of the reverse restricted keyways which means you won't be able to get blanks.

[Evan]

Hi Bco:

First off, welcome to LP101...

Sadly your key can not be duplicated without valid authorization from Schlage...

As the other person who replied here has stated, the Schlage T keyway is part of the Classic Reverse Restricted Keyway family...

The Obverse Classic Open Keyway Family of: C, CE, E, EF, F, FG, G and (H, J, K and L)
as you have noted have mirror reverse restricted equivalents:

D, DQ, Q, QS, S, T, U, V, W and Y

If I am remembering correctly, T would be the mirror reverse of the G keyway...

You would not be able to obtain your own blanks to make a working spare of this key...

It is rather unusual to have such a lock installed on your front door, unless there are some facts about the situation which you have not described, such as the door in question is on an apartment or dormitory, in which case you should ask the landlord for an additional key...

If this lock is in fact installed on a door in a private residence your only option would be to replace the hardware/cylinder in order to obtain additional keys...

~~ Evan

[Squelchtone]

Great answer Evan, +1

Squelchtone

[cledry]

Cut the head off of a G keyway, braze it on the opposite end and voila you now have a T keyway.

You are welcome.

[thelockpickkid]

Everest T key.

[Squelchtone]

Everest T key.

a quick google search does make it seem like that, but if you look at this PDF, the bow and key would look like a traditional Everest bow rather than a classic Schlage bow. http://us.allegion.com/irstdocs/catalog/109487.pdf


This PDF has this to say about T keyway: http://us.allegion.com/irstdocs/catalog/106482.pdf

"T Family Restricted Keyways (not shown)
T Family keyways are end-user restricted keyways. They are not stocked by
locksmiths or other dealers. Conventional (non-Primus) cylinders with T Family
restricted keyways offer economical patent protection but no geographical
exclusivity. All orders for T Family keys and blanks require a letter of
authorization from the end user. Primus XP cylinders with T Family keyways
are only available at Level 9 where product is shipped directly to the end user
or a designated agent. Primus XP cylinders add the geographical exclusivity
of the side bitting as well as the high security features of the finger pin and
sidebar mechanism. "

[thelockpickkid]

Your right, but usually all there restricted stuff doesn't have the classic look. I can't find a T section key in any of my resources.

[Evan]

Your right, but usually all there restricted stuff doesn't have the classic look. I can't find a T section key in any of my resources.

That is because this is old school restricted like the Quad and Numbered keyways...

Everest is relatively new in comparison...

The exemplar key in the image that the OP posted is at least 10-15 years old as the coining of the logos on the key bows have change over time in...

~~ Evan

[Evan]

This PDF has this to say about T keyway: http://us.allegion.com/irstdocs/catalog/106482.pdf

"T Family Restricted Keyways (not shown)
T Family keyways are end-user restricted keyways. They are not stocked by
locksmiths or other dealers. Conventional (non-Primus) cylinders with T Family
restricted keyways offer economical patent protection but no geographical
exclusivity. All orders for T Family keys and blanks require a letter of
authorization from the end user. Primus XP cylinders with T Family keyways
are only available at Level 9 where product is shipped directly to the end user
or a designated agent. Primus XP cylinders add the geographical exclusivity
of the side bitting as well as the high security features of the finger pin and
sidebar mechanism. "

I actually just had to read up on the Everest 29 stuff...

It is an overlay type upgrade just like Classic Primus was to enhance and secure older deployed keying systems..,

You can add the new cylinders into any existing Everest or Everest Primus system...

The "S" keyways are basically the same open family as the Everest "C" family, those keys will fit the "C" cylinders but the "S" keyways have the brand new uber patented even longer undercut groove thing going on so regular Everest keys can not operate the newer cylinders...

The "T" family of restricted keyways then has to be the same technology applied to the older Everest "D" restricted family...

~~ Evan

[jeffmoss26]

What Evan said.
These are reverse of the standard 'obverse' keyways we are all familiar with (C, E, F, G)