Padlock for Toolboxes (UAE, Saltwater/Sand)

[Barthel]

Hello,

I've worked for several years in the Oman as well as in the United Arabic Emirates as an Engineer.
We're now looking for some Padlocks (Aviliable in Dubai or Abu Dhabi) to secure our Toolboxes e.g. on the Diving Ship, Powerplant site etc.
It should be a 40-50mm Shakle to get it over the reinforcement-metal bars.
We need some shielding against Salty Spraywater as well as Dust/Sand. We're willing to pay around 15-20€ per Lock, best would be rekeyable or with simmilar keys. I've brought a Abus 72/40 made of Aluminium alloy and a Abus "Seewasserfest" (40mm) shielded by rubber coating and a Flap to seal the keyway. this one is working more or less good, while the 72/40 needs quite regular sevice (but has a removable cylinder.

Any LOcks which i can get in the local Hardware stores (we got an ACE in ABu Dhabi as well)? Tried several Diving shops and boat-shops but all locks there where not looking trustworthy...

[Squelchtone]

Hello,

I've worked for several years in the Oman as well as in the United Arabic Emirates as an Engineer.
We're now looking for some Padlocks (Aviliable in Dubai or Abu Dhabi) to secure our Toolboxes e.g. on the Diving Ship, Powerplant site etc.
It should be a 40-50mm Shakle to get it over the reinforcement-metal bars.
We need some shielding against Salty Spraywater as well as Dust/Sand. We're willing to pay around 15-20€ per Lock, best would be rekeyable or with simmilar keys. I've brought a Abus 72/40 made of Aluminium alloy and a Abus "Seewasserfest" (40mm) shielded by rubber coating and a Flap to seal the keyway. this one is working more or less good, while the 72/40 needs quite regular sevice (but has a removable cylinder.

Any LOcks which i can get in the local Hardware stores (we got an ACE in ABu Dhabi as well)? Tried several Diving shops and boat-shops but all locks there where not looking trustworthy...

Sounds like you need an Abloy SWP padlock but it doesn't seem like your budget per lock would allow it.

enjoy this video: http://www.abloy.com/en/abloy/abloycom/ ... -Padlocks/

Squelchtone

[dls]

The best system for these kinds of enviroments is pobably a relativly simple disk type lock like abloy or abus or cheap clone as opposed to a pin tumbler.
You can oil them and grease one as much as you want and the disks will almost always turn where pins will jam up.
I am a diver so know a bit about the marine enviroment by the way, i also am a biker who rides daily in Ireland where it rains every second day and have a very old dirty usually wet abus grannite which when it jamms with dirt from the road up a simple blast of wd40 with a straw to the back of the large ( when compared to a pin tumbler) keyway always sorts it out however i wouldnt say it would stand up to salt water for long and its not cheap.
Your budget is unrealistic realy if you want a good quality low maintenance dust resistant marine grade padlock cheap. Even an enviromentaly sealed padlock will eventually fail unless you can stop saltwater and dust getting on the opened shackle and on the key. sometimes a cheapo lock regularily soaked in wd40 can be the most reliable option in a small budget situation

[Barthel]

these abloys looking good but just tooo massive to fit around the Toolboxes, dhese Disclocks lookimh nice but never the less i can unpick most of them in less than 5 mins ... does that meen i'm good or does z´that meen the locks are bad ... i've picked around 15 Abus 70 discs within less than 5mins so I wa slooking for some alternative.


Abloy seems to have the right lock in the "no so right" shape ... but Abus and Burg Wächter did not provide te locks i Need ^^

[dls]

I think you may be confusing the abus disk lock whick looks like a hocky puck and is a pin tumbler with a disk tumbler type like an abloy or simmilar, the abus grannite uses disks like an abloy and these types of locks are more resistant to dirt salt and water than pin tumblers.
This doesnt mean they wont get dirty or stick but they will be easier to get working when stuck as they dont use springs to return the locking elements to their original positions.
They use sidebars which sometimes use springs but some will not need the springs as the disks can be made to return the sidebar when locking.
In twenty years opening locks i have seen many old padlocks jam with rust and crap but the disk types can usualy be got working without dissasembly or damage alowing them to be removed and the serviced and reused.
Ava type locks are even simpler than abloy and i have had to open manny on night deposit safes for banks over the years for various reasons like stones, glass, paperclips, ball bearings and even spiders in the keyway , they can even be opened when some lttle bollix fills them with superglue because they are so full of crap and oil the glue doesnt stick.

[Barthel]

well ok you got me i was not thinking about These Disk tumblers (I'm using Cryptonite and Abus Granite as Disc-Tumbler Locks. ... they're rock solid true.

Have to check if I can get them here but the yeem to be quite a good alternative.

[MBI]

I think you may end up needing to reevaluate your thinking on your requirements, at least a little.

You want it to be reliable, weatherproof, have specific shackle clearance, provide good security AND have a low purchase price. It may be tough to provide all four requirements.

As others have already recommended, a disc detainer lock mechanism is probably your best bet and you can probably find a cheaper Chinese disc detainer lock that will be in the price range you want and have the shackle dimensions you need. With proper lubrication you have a reasonable chance of it remaining functional in the inclement conditions you listed, IF you also keep a can of spray cleaner/lube around to blow out gunk if it ever gets too gummed up due to dust, etc. Just be sure to immediately re-lube it afterwards. But this will be at the cost of good security.

Stop and consider the value of whatever equipment you're locking up. If it's not a huge deal if the lock is compromised and you lose the stuff, then I guess you'll be fine with a cheap lock. On the other hand, if the equipment you're securing has a high dollar value, perhaps it's worth the price of a slightly better lock.

[Squelchtone]

I think you may end up needing to reevaluate your thinking on your requirements, at least a little.

You want it to be reliable, weatherproof, have specific shackle clearance, provide good security AND have a low purchase price. It may be tough to provide all four requirements.

This vaguely reminds me of this:

[ggpaintballer]

How about something like this?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009S5 ... DM8C9TRZCS

[Barthel]

we bought now:

another bunch of:
http://mylittleone.co.uk/media/catalog/ ... 0ib-45.jpg

The value of the Tools is not that high (where is the sense in securing 20€ Tools with a 100€ lock, in a Toolbox which can be cut open with a wirecutter)

and that Lock has the Advantage that it's not Scratching that much on the boat-surfaces ....

not a perfect choice i know ... but better than nothing ^^

I've got 2 Bur Wächter Disc Tumbler as tryout, let's see how they perform.

[nite0wl]

we bought now:

another bunch of:


The value of the Tools is not that high (where is the sense in securing 20€ Tools with a 100€ lock, in a Toolbox which can be cut open with a wirecutter)

and that Lock has the Advantage that it's not Scratching that much on the boat-surfaces ....

not a perfect choice i know ... but better than nothing ^^

I've got 2 Bur Wächter Disc Tumbler as tryout, let's see how they perform.

The Abus Marine 70IB series is pretty good in harsh environments. Keep the cover closed as much as possible and stick to dry lubricants (powder graphite and similar) and it should work well.
If you really need the ability to rekey, take a look at the 83MAR and 83WPIB. The 83WPIB is very similar to the 70IB series but takes Abus 83 replaceable cores (am overview of the 83 series including available replacement cores is available here: http://www.abus.com/us/content/download/23715/633803/file/201401%20-%2083%20Brochure.pdf). I do not know exactly what would be available from local suppliers in the UAE but a good hardware supplier that carries Abus products could probably get them for you without much difficulty. Of course the price per lock may be slightly higher than your ideal range.

[sentientsentinel]

I've heard disc tumblers are pretty good for salt water conditions but I don't know what they sell in your area but an Abus disc tumbler with a rubber plug sounds like a very good option [EDIT: removed fanciful idea about causing injury to person trying to get into tool box, PM sent. -Squelchtone] All kidding aside though in addition to adding a good lock consider where you keep the tool box maybe you could keep it in a locked room or in an area where there are alot of people all the time or I"ve seen expensive soft target equipment winched or craned into the air over the weekend to make it hard for amateurs to reach your goodies. Good luck

[Squelchtone]

Interesting write up with some nice cutaway photos of disc detainer mechanisms subjected to salt water in a marine environment and their operating reliability. http://www.motorlocusa.com/research-paper.html

Not quite sure if they are doing legit research in that paper or just marketing the products they sell... you decide...

Squelchtone

[tomasfuk]

Not quite sure if they are doing legit research in that paper or just marketing the products they sell...

At least I must agree with them that Abloy Protec "has differing grades of ferrous materials, with a lot of brass" what must result in fast degradation in salt water (galvanic corrosion).