Auto locksmithing

by **davidgjr** » 30 Oct 2004 21:18

Buggs,

I got the big easy also. I have found that the best way to use the thing is to go thru the top and not the side as they show in the directions. You can hit the rocker or window switches. It is a good tool once you find its use. Astro vans can be tough but this tool can it. I wont discuss the specifics, of getting in the van but put 2 and 2 together from what I have said.

by **Buggs41** » 31 Oct 2004 13:51

One other quick question.

I have a Pro-Lok AK-92 tool kit. http://www.pro-lok.com/pages/catalog/catalog.htm

The manual that came with it does not explain each tool very well. http://www.pro-lok.com/pages/catalog/catalog.htm

Has anyone used this book? http://www.pro-lok.com/pages/catalog/catalog.htm

It looks like a GREAT reference book. I just need to know if it is worth the price tag. Will I actually use it, or just make a book end of it?

Thanks!

by **Buggs41** » 31 Oct 2004 13:58

Darn links didn't work. Arrrrgh!

Any way, the kit is an AK-92.
The manual included is the auto entry book ( AO95 )
And the book in question is the " Best Car Opening Manual Period. "

* I was hoping to use the links only, that way I would not have to spell out . * ( it all anyway. )

by **aaalocksmiths** » 31 Oct 2004 15:23

Hi guys, just got put on to this site, i'm an auto lockie in stafford in th euk, as for tools for cars the best thing i have made is a set of overlifters, the tibbe pick off benny. how professional do you look when you open the car in under a minute by picking the lock? the general lockies that claim to be auto specialists look amaturish and incompetent. i've been called by these guys on more than one occasion asking how to get into a car. needless to say i've gone to do the job because i can. as for starting up, as somoen above has said go for opening first then move into programming.

by **davidgjr** » 31 Oct 2004 16:29

I have the best auto book period and the AK-92 tool kit. Without the book, the tool kit is useless in my opinion. It is a great book. Nice color photos.

by **randmguy** » 31 Oct 2004 19:37

Buggs I know several guys who swear by the Best Book. Its well illustrated and fairly cheap to update. I was a High-Tech user for years but have recently given it up for the Z-Tool set because I got really tired of untangling 40 tools to get the one I needed. I'm in serious like with this set. The learning curve is shallow with this set too. I've also got a Lock Technologies set that I keep in my wife's car that works well. They are really cheap and you get what you pay for but they are an adequate back-up. I wouldn't use them with the included manual though. There's just not a lot of info you can pack into a 30 page pamphlet. :oops:

I wouldn't advise anyone to go with just a long reach tool. It has it's uses but there are dangers involved with frameless windows and warping door frames. I would recommend the HPC Power Wedge to anyone who uses a long reach tool often. I got mine right after that $650 Dodge window replacement. It's very easy to control your opening width with this tool and it doesn't wear thin or get brittle in unGodly cold weather ( I just had to move to Minnesota!) Don't you hate when an air wedge pops when you've got your tool in the car?!! It's happened to me once but I have a friend that lost both his long reach tools and 2 air wedges one frigid January. On the plus side HPC replaced the wedges for free but not the tools. Live and learn. You can also use the Power Wedge for commercial door openings.

by **aaalocksmiths** » 21 Feb 2005 11:42

Hi all
i'd just like to add to this chat about opening cars.

most people seem to use reach tools and the such like (slim jim i assume is in there somewhere too), which is fine if that works for you, but beware on motors that have side air bags. if you go poking around down the sides of doors that have side airbags fitted there is a good chance you will set one of the buggers off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as one guy down the smoke found out, unluckily for him it sent the slim jim up through the back of his head (how true it is i don't know) but the thought of it should make you think is there anything that can do this in the way, if you think there is don't risk it. at best case you have to fork out for a new airbag (although the car will be then be open) at worst? well it's not worth thinking about.........

as for training? scrap yards!!! there are hundreds of cars in these places, and manufactures rarley move components very far. the car side of stuff is even more cloak and dagger than the rest of it, and so it should be, i can open and have a car started (without setting off an alrm or destroying anything) in anything from 2 minutes to 30 minutes. hence why it's very closly guarded. but get into it and it's great, i prefer cars to normal locks any day of the week (and not just for the money)..

by **Rowlock** » 21 Feb 2005 12:04

Good call on the scrap yards. They are a great source of used auto locks for practising on (assuming you can remove 'em without too much hassle, of course).

aaalocksmiths wrote:as one guy down the smoke found out, unluckily for him it sent the slim jim up through the back of his head (how true it is i don't know) but the thought of it should make you think is there anything that can do this in the way, if you think there is don't risk it. at best case you have to fork out for a new airbag (although the car will be then be open) at worst? well it's not worth thinking about.........

Oddly enough MrB responded to another post about that over here.

Apparently it's unlikely that this ever happened, as side airbags are heavily compartmented to prevent the forces of explosive deployment from mucking up the door internals. The last thing rescue services need is more hinderance in getting victims out of a crash scene thanks to knackered locks. Triggering the bag in the first place would take quite a squirelly set of dud wiring to short across, too - two sets of frayed jackets in just the right spot to contact the bare metal jimmy at the same time.

Anything's possible, and of course it never hurts to take sensible precautions, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

by **AUTOLOX** » 21 Feb 2005 18:59

HI

YOU DO NOT NEED TO SPEND MONEY ON A THROUGH CAR KIT, JUST GET YOUR ARSE DOWN THE SCRAP YARD TAKE THE CAR DOORS APART AND WORK IT OUT.
YOU CAN MAKE ALL THE TOOLS YOU WILL NEED.

THE TIBBE PICK FROM SAFE VENTURES IS VERY GOOD BUT IT IS NOT A MUST YOU CAN MAKE YOUR OWN PICK OUT OF A KEY BLANK.

SO YOU CAN DO GAIN ENTRY'S WITH OUT SPENDING MUCH MONEY JUST A LOT OF TIME PRACTICING.

BUT 90% OF MY WORK IS LOST ARE STOLEN KEYS,AND FOR THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SPEND AT LEAST Â£25'000 ON KEY MACHINES TRANSPONDER MACHINES,KEY BLANKS,TRANSPONDER CHIPS.

DON'T THINK YOU CAN TAKE A WEEK'S COURSE, COME AWAY AND GET ON WITH IT,I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE AUTO WORK FOR YEARS AND STILL COME UNSTUCK :roll:

DON'T START PUSHING RODS DOWN THE SIDE OF A CUSTOMERS CAR IF YOU ARE NOT SURE WOTS DOWN THERE,YOU MAY DAMAGE IT.

ONE LAST THING,IT IS TRUE THAT ON THE LATEST CARS YOU CAN JUST REPROGRAMME THE KEY SO THE LOST OR STOLEN KEY WILL ONLY OPEN THE CAR BUT NOT START IT, BUT THAT DOES NOT STOP THE KEY FROM BEING USED AT A LATER DATE TO OPEN THE CAR,TAKE THE STEARING LOCK OFF AND TOW THE CAR AWAY OR STEAL STUFF FROM INSIDE THE BOOT. :cry:

THE CUSTOMER WILL BACK ON THE PHONE

I HOPE THIS IS OF USE TO YOU.

by **digital_blue** » 21 Feb 2005 19:05

AUTOLOX: I'm guessing that you don't know just what bad etiquette it is to post anything in all caps online. It is the internet equivalent to me walking up to you and screaming in your face. I'm sure you meant no ill will here, but in future, please take off the caps lock.

Thanks,

db

by **AUTOLOX** » 21 Feb 2005 19:17

digital_blue wrote:AUTOLOX: I'm guessing that you don't know just what bad etiquette it is to post anything in all caps online. It is the internet equivalent to me walking up to you and screaming in your face. I'm sure you meant no ill will here, but in future, please take off the caps lock.

Thanks,

db

SORRY - SORRY - sorry :wink:

by **aaalocksmiths** » 27 Feb 2005 16:40

in response to auto loxs on Benny and martins tibbe pick. everyone has their own opinion on this one. i use safe ventures tibbe pick i think it's fab, don't even need to take a lock out to get the key code. it takes approximatly 8-10 mins to open a car decode the lock, cut a key and start programming the new keys. i have come across home made ones with some of the guys from eden locksmiths in Coventry and i couldn't get to gris with theirs.

the ones made from a tibbe key (with the ears on i assume) that you mentioned. well i have one of these too, i have only managed to open 2 cars with it. however! i have removed more ignition locks with it thean you can shake the perverbial stick at. it's what your used to i suppose.

i take it you don't sub out car work autolox. i stopped when i went into cars as you say it costs a bloody fortune. and i wasn't gonna let anyone but me make any money off it.

by **toomush2drink** » 27 Feb 2005 16:43

Your the only person i know to date who has got the souber tibbe pick to work, kinda find it hard to believe. :wink:

. I think i will stick to my safe ventures one.

by **AUTOLOX** » 27 Feb 2005 17:54

aaalocksmiths

I take it you mean do I sub to the maintenance firms? No I don't. I believe that if everybody stopped subbing to these conmen, they would soon disappear, leaving us to get on with doing the job properly.
I made the mistake of subbing to a maintenance firm once. They quoted a woman Â£150 for a gain entry to a VW Golf (keys in the boot) so I got her in, charged her my normal fee and told her to ring them up and cancel the job. They then tried to get Â£75 cancellation fee :shock:

I was also told never to pick or bypass a lock, always drill and take my time as it was an hourly rate.
Sorry about the rant but I have been to a few customers since who have had a maintenance firm, been charged a fortune and still had to get me out to do the job properly.

by **pinky** » 27 Feb 2005 17:58

common story across the board, whether safes , autos or domestic/commercial, nationals are ruining industry and conning public out of money.

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