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Help with this key.

Need help fixing or installing a lock? We welcome questions from the public here! Sorry, no automotive questions, please.
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby cledry » 13 Jan 2015 18:59

YouLuckyFox wrote:@Bill: Most people I know will do "the next best thing;" they'll ask about Bump Keys and their heightened awareness will spur them to buy a lock for their bike, even if it doesn't guard against bumping. Or they'll get robbed and install a deadbolt instead of relying on a locking doorknob, but not do anything beyond getting the deadbolt. When I ask why, they've pretty much responded with "aut Ceasar aut Nullis," if it can't keep thermite from getting through, it's not worth upgrading. Another thing I see a lot is putting alarm stickers or ADT signs in the yard, but not having a security system.


LOL on the last bit. The shop I used to work at actually sold stickers for the windows that said protect by electronic alarm. They were big sellers from the front counter.
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby blue60 » 15 Jan 2015 22:13

cledry wrote:
YouLuckyFox wrote:@Bill: Most people I know will do "the next best thing;" they'll ask about Bump Keys and their heightened awareness will spur them to buy a lock for their bike, even if it doesn't guard against bumping. Or they'll get robbed and install a deadbolt instead of relying on a locking doorknob, but not do anything beyond getting the deadbolt. When I ask why, they've pretty much responded with "aut Ceasar aut Nullis," if it can't keep thermite from getting through, it's not worth upgrading. Another thing I see a lot is putting alarm stickers or ADT signs in the yard, but not having a security system.


LOL on the last bit. The shop I used to work at actually sold stickers for the windows that said protect by electronic alarm. They were big sellers from the front counter.




That is funny, when I was house hunting every other house we looked at had a "Electronic Alarm" sticker on it, Including the house I ended up buying :lol: funny enough I have never removed it.
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby jk2k5 » 16 Jan 2015 3:01

Is there any difference in picking one of these locks as far as getting your wrench and picks into the key way. Also security systems are nothing more than a deterrent with the auditory alarm being the main advantage. Very few criminal are willing to continue with the alarm going off unless they have done their home work. A silent alarm has other advantages giving law enforcement time to get there before the criminal realizes what has happened. There is a significant delay in law enforcement response due to many factors mostly being protocols followed by the alarm companies.
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby cledry » 17 Jan 2015 21:35

jk2k5 wrote:Is there any difference in picking one of these locks as far as getting your wrench and picks into the key way. Also security systems are nothing more than a deterrent with the auditory alarm being the main advantage. Very few criminal are willing to continue with the alarm going off unless they have done their home work. A silent alarm has other advantages giving law enforcement time to get there before the criminal realizes what has happened. There is a significant delay in law enforcement response due to many factors mostly being protocols followed by the alarm companies.


No not the "locksmith keyway" models. It shouldn't be confused with high security or marketed as such although as been has said you can't make a bump key if you cannot obtain a key or blank. It is strictly a cost effective way to eliminate unauthorized duplication.
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby cj101 » 18 Jan 2015 5:44

Here in Germany, the main advertisment of practically all lock companies is about restricted keys, which are protected by patent, by registered trademark and so on.
You also get a 'key card' which is required for making new keys to your lock.

So it's not playing a game with the customer, but actually considered a feature for them. By the way, virtually any lock company offers a 'free' system as well, were you can duplicate keys as you are pleased.
And in all cases, you can contact the lock company directly, if you do not find a locksmith anymore.

Aren't there any locksmiths around, which happen to have an Easy Entrie or somtehing comparable, which can cut any keyway by measuring the key.

Here in Germany, there are lot of shops, which duplicate keys, repair shoes, ... . And quite often, you find one, which has such an universal key copy machine. A simple restricted keyway is nowadays no longer a method, which can protect a key from duplicating.
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Re: Help with this key.

Postby cledry » 18 Jan 2015 19:02

The keyway milling machines are not common here.
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