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Tubular Locks

Picked all the easy locks and want to step up your game? Further your lock picking techniques, exchange pro tips, videos, lessons, and develop your skills here.

Tubular Locks

Postby IkeClanton » 16 Jun 2003 17:09

Anybody out there know a way to pick tubular locks without shelling out 60 or 70 bucks for one of those special picks?

I've seen a bunch of wildly inacurate stuff on the net, mostly because it seems some people confuse tubular locks with regular pin-tumbler locks. By tubular lock I mean the ones found on vending machines, washers and driers, etc.

I have yet to find a detailed description of how they actually work or how to pick them by hand. My basic problem seems to be that I can't get any tension on the lock, so when I push the pins down they immediately spring back up. I've tried using screwdrivers, regular tension wrenches, small hex keys, but nothing produces tension so I think I've got the wrong approach. I'm thinking that I need to have all the pins down at once and just ignore tension all together until the very end.

Also, I have heard that you can use some sort of air-drying clay to jam in the lock, pull it out, let it dry, and then use it. This sounds fishy as all hell to me and if anybody can confirm or deny that this works I'd appreciate it.

Thanks for your time
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There is a way! :)

Postby skeleton_keys » 14 Jul 2003 17:52

This trick was actually taught to me by a pro locksmith of 40 years. . .you need a specialized tension wrench, but you can make it yourself. See, tubular locks work similarly to pin tumbler locks in that there are top pins, bottom pins and springs. They're just arranged in a circle instead of a straight line. When you insert the key, it pushes the pins back to the shear line, and the cylinder can rotate.

Those $60 tubular lock picks are actually pretty good. . .I had one once, and for the right type of lock it could open it in under 15 seconds. The specialized picks available from places like Lockmasters for $300 (for a Peterson) are brilliant. They allow you to fine-tune the picking needle for each pin using adjustable screws, rather than just sliding arms.

But anyways, here's the Poor Man's Tubular Picking Technique. . . :) Take a regular lock pick from your set, no fancy handles, just a flat piece of cold rolled spring steel, right? Turn it around to the handle end. Since most picks have a rounded end, cut off the rounded part so it's square. Then grind or cut the handle below that so you're left with something looking like a perfectly square, sideways "U". Grind or cut away the handle below that U, so the end product comes out looking something like this: (Pick head) M______/|||||||||||||\____||__|| (Modified handle)

The two fingers poking up from the "U" should be measured and cut to fit perfectly into the track of the tubular lock you want to pick. The outer finger (on the very end) will go in the notch that you use to line up the key. The inner finger should fit perfectly in the track on the opposite side of the cylinder. Each finger will only need to be about one to two millimeters wide, depending on the size of the lock.

Using this as your tension wrench, apply gentle pressure to the wrench in the direction you want the tubular lock to turn. Take a straightened paper clip, and starting by the notch, push one pin down at a time, going around counterclockwise, until you feel one that sticks and is hard to push. Push that one in, and hopefully it will stick at the shear line. Start again at the notch, going counterclockwise, round the circle, until you find another pin that's hard to move. Skip any you've already picked, of course. Eventually, with luck (and practice) you'll have all 7 (or 8) pins at the shear line.

The reason this works is the same reason normal picking works. Because no pin holes can be lined up absolutely perfectly during the machining process, one pin suddenly coming to the shear line will allow the lock cylinder to turn a microscopic amount. This amount may be just enough to allow another pin that might otherwise not have reached the shear line properly to now do so.

Hope this helps. Happy picking!
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Doh! Emoticons.

Postby skeleton_keys » 14 Jul 2003 17:56

Doh! In that 5th paragraph, the little sunglass-smiley face was supposed to be a number 8 and a ). Since there are 7-pin and 8-pin tubular locks, of course.
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Postby drv » 18 Oct 2004 15:59

BUT ... you should realise that you would have to pick the lock 7 times
over ... (for a 7 pin lock that is)

For each successfull session the lock rotates only 1/7th and the pins
bind in the next, adjacent position.

Only after 7 picking sessions the lock is fully rotated
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Postby logosys » 18 Oct 2004 17:13

drv wrote:BUT ... you should realise that you would have to pick the lock 7 times
over ... (for a 7 pin lock that is)

For each successfull session the lock rotates only 1/7th and the pins
bind in the next, adjacent position.

Only after 7 picking sessions the lock is fully rotated


NECRO!!!!!!

He does bring up a good point. How do you avoid that? is there a plug spinner for a tubular lock?
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Postby CaptHook » 18 Oct 2004 20:29

NECRO!!!!!!

LOL.... Ill have to remember that one.....
As far as the plug spinner, I had that thought at one point, never worked on a prototype though.
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Postby MrB » 18 Oct 2004 21:07

I must be slow. I don't get NECRO... :?:

But I thought expensive tubular lock picks or pin by pin picking had been superseded nowadays by the plastic pen?
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Postby bushd » 18 Oct 2004 21:36

No, that was on the Kryptonite locks. There is a fix for that.

Thanks in advance for never bringing the topic of the pen trick again.
Rawr.
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Postby MrB » 18 Oct 2004 22:07

Actually, I believe the pen trick has been demonstrated to work on all tubular locks in common use, including the Ace II. On the Ace II it may take a minute or two of fiddling instead of a few seconds, but it still works.

As of last month, tubular locks may no longer be considered anything more than curiosities.
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Postby logosys » 18 Oct 2004 22:20

MrB wrote:I must be slow. I don't get NECRO... :?:


Look at the date on the first post. 'Necro' means it is a revived dead post...
-Logo

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Postby poisoned » 19 Oct 2004 1:29

BUT ... you should realise that you would have to pick the lock 7 times
over ... (for a 7 pin lock that is)

Nope.. I havent seen a tubular lock that requires u to turn it more then 90 degrees before it opens.. There for u would have to pick it about 2-5 times depending on the lock..
\o/
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Postby Jimmie » 19 Oct 2004 5:36

for a DIY tensioner you can use an old small barrel key ... you file out some parts until to can remove this key once the lock has been picked 1/8 or 1/6 turn depending of the lock you're picking

you can try this trick ... pick the lock until it turns just a little bit between two chambers ... in this way all the pins are sticked in the right position ... then ... fill all the chambers out with cotton thread or dental floss for maintaining the pins in the picked position ... insert a right key with some active part filed out (it is important you have a small notch part which gives tension for the rotation of the lock) ...

so .. you can rotate the lock wihtout picking it again 5 or 7 times ...

it works ... not a 100/100 success ... but ... ;-))

or when the lock is picked and turned a little bit between two chambers maintaining the pins in the right position you can decode the lock and cut out a right key later (not so easy by hand with a small swiss file !!! )

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Postby Jimmie » 19 Oct 2004 5:42

sorry .... I forgot to tell you ... this works only on Bramah type locks ... not really on U locks for bikes or other similar models
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where can i get a tension wrench for tublar lock

Postby ianadderley » 2 Nov 2004 17:44

i have seen one used on the cd rom "the locksmith" but im not sure where to get one from or is there anything else i could use for it. the pick was kinda like a 'u' or something similar.
Anyone help?
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Postby coolman » 21 Nov 2004 0:18

i have a idea if you pick it the first time set it on the sherline and take clay and press it in the lock and whatfor it to dry i just thought of this and i dont know if it will work :?
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