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Cheap Lock?

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Cheap Lock?

Postby Shifty1 » 18 Mar 2015 14:05

I was bored a while back so I decided to impression an old residential deadbolt on
my garage door. At that time I was just getting into locksport and had only to date
impressioned around a dozen locks (Weiser & Kwikset btw)(70% + success rate)(file
no machine except 0 or 1 cut). The lock was in the double cylinder design with a
weathered key still inserted on the inside of the door since time immemrorial. Now the
keyway is common to a 1176 KW1 blank yet the bow of the key did not match any
thing in the Ilco guide. However, things get stranger. As I proceeded to impression
this lock the initial markings on a Kwikset keyblank did not mic to any charted
spacings and stroke for stroke of the file found the depths to be nonstandard too. It
was slow going as the depth and space markings did not conform to kwikset values.
Early into the filing things did'nt look so good. I was barely getting marks and things
just did'nt feel right. The spacings were odd even for flat bottomed Kwikset pins. Hard
to explain as impressioning goes...So slow went the filing that when the key
eventually broke I did not attempt another go at it. I went on to take the lock off the
door, took it apart, and guess what I found? Yea a broken key... But even more
astonishing... a Plastic shell! Just a machined white plastic shell with brass plugs
sealing the bible. From the looks of the lock it looks late 60s or early 70s. Not Teflon
or Delrin - too old and cheap a lock for anything special. Little wonder I could'nt
impression it as there was no metallically frictive shell to bind the pins. Pins would
_ in the chamber and deform into the soft-walled pin chambers. The pin were
manufactured but of nonstandard lenghts. And when I finally extracted the original key
it was a real oddball. The shoulder had been cut back with no recognizable depths
that I could reference - on round bowed key with rough cuts on a Kwikset chasis.
And as I recall there was a mushroom pin in one of the stacks. I could'nt pick this
piece of junk either - just way too mushy. Little wonder it impressioned at all. A real
dog. Defeated, I reassembled it and put it back on the door just to fill the hole. I might
get around to a picture post sometime. And so I was wondering if anyone had ever
come across the likes of this lock - barring the junk aspect of course? I guess I can't
really call it a crap lock... but as odd as a three dollar bill. It beat me square. I
could'nt decode it.... The simple genius of it. Can't win em all I guess! Back to the lab
again..... :)

Cheers!
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Re: Cheap Lock?

Postby MBI » 18 Mar 2015 14:09

I skimmed your post. It kind of looks like you have some interesting ideas but that gigantic wall of text is a bit hard to follow for me. If you break it up into logical paragraphs it might be a little easier for people to be able to follow the ideas you're trying to communicate. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: Cheap Lock?

Postby billdeserthills » 18 Mar 2015 16:37

Plastic cylinders are seen a lot nowadays, but would have been quite a rarity for the times from whence that junky thing came. Too bad there isn't
a plastic pos award, cause it sounds like You found a real winner!
Far as logical paragraphs go, don't bother for me, I have more fun with the challenge
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Re: Cheap Lock?

Postby cledry » 18 Mar 2015 16:46

Actually plastic cylinders with a brass plug were very common years ago too. Weiser used them on their knobs for example.
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Re: Cheap Lock?

Postby billdeserthills » 18 Mar 2015 19:31

cledry wrote:Actually plastic cylinders with a brass plug were very common years ago too. Weiser used them on their knobs for example.



I don't recall seeing many used in deadboltlocks tho
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Re: Cheap Lock?

Postby 1mrchristopher » 18 Mar 2015 21:50

I'm actually very curious about this. Please take pictures for us? Older Weiser knobs with the plastic cylinders often pick extremely easily with moderate to heavy tension (my experience), but I guess I'd never thought to bother trying to impression a key for one, always just take them apart and rekey them or make a key to fit as they are.
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