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I have no other information except it was found in Woodstock Ontario, Canada. does anyone have an idea of what type of safe this is? the dimensions 42" high, 30" deep and 30" wide
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Does anyone have an idea about what type of Chubb safe this could be. Fire, high security?......type of lock....ect. Any ideas greatly appreciated. Bill
williamjcoates wrote:Does anyone have an idea about what type of Chubb safe this could be. Fire, high security?......type of lock....ect. Any ideas greatly appreciated. Bill
Being an older model it will be tough to find answers, but I believe It looks like a Chubb-Mosler Taylor made in Brampton Ontario Canada. This is the one you bought on Kijiji, right? =)
Best bet is to call a local safe company near you for more info, but don't just call any locksmith, make sure they do safes and that's their primary business.
Well I have been scouring the internet looking for some more info and came across this safe. It looks exactly like mine...from the outside that is. Is it possible my safe was just rebranded to Chubb and is actually this? The Chubb-Mosler-Taylor safe was described as being a "Category 4 ABP" I do notice that the dial is gold in color. Maybe mine is a cheaper model from this same line. Any thoughts on this? Bill http://imgur.com/LFiF1Oe,JJamQG1 http://imgur.com/LFiF1Oe,JJamQG1#1
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Well I finally got the safe home and took a few more close up pics of the dial and handle. Hoping that someone might know what type of lock I have. I think it is an S&G but don't know the series?? http://imgur.com/MzyufAL
williamjcoates wrote:Well I finally got the safe home and took a few more close up pics of the dial and handle. Hoping that someone might know what type of lock I have. I think it is an S&G but don't know the series?? http://imgur.com/MzyufAL
ooops.. there is only 1 photo in that link and it is of the full safe, not close up. That dial reminds me of S&G's Group 1 locks, man I wish I could score such a nice safe.
Just in case it is set to the default combination you should try dialing 50-25-50 or 25-50-25 or just 50-50-50. sometimes 20-40-60 or 10-20-30 or similar patters also work.
Youtube has nice videos showing the proper order you have to dial an S&G lock, are you familiar with how to do it? I can post links.
and if you have any closer photos of the dial that would help, the handle no so much.
oh yeah, Sargent & Greenleaf 8500 Series Group 1 manipulation proof lock. That's a very nice lock on that safe. There will be no simple tricks to trying to dial it or graph it and "crack the combination" only dialing test combinations and hoping you get lucky. plan B would be to have a professional drill the safe and I don't know current rates, but $500-$1000 is probably reasonable to open that safe.
You may want to contact our member TorontoSafeCracker and see what his thoughts are on this. Maybe bribe him with a 6 pack and some pizza =)
Squelchtone can correct me if I am wrong, but IIRC, you dial the combination, turn the dial back to 0, push in the dial, then continue turning clockwise to retract the bolt. The fence does not contact the wheel pack unless the dial is at 0 then pushed in.
Gordon
NOTE: I can't really recommend dialing combos 0-0-0, 0-0-1, etcetera, while watching a movie. Unless you don't mind watching the movie 500 times.
Gordon
Just when you finally think you have learned it all, that is when you learn that you don't know anything yet.
GWiens2001 wrote:Looks like you got a really nice safe. Enjoy!
Squelchtone can correct me if I am wrong, but IIRC, you dial the combination, turn the dial back to 0, push in the dial, then continue turning clockwise to retract the bolt. The fence does not contact the wheel pack unless the dial is at 0 then pushed in.
Gordon
NOTE: I can't really recommend dialing combos 0-0-0, 0-0-1, etcetera, while watching a movie. Unless you don't mind watching the movie 500 times.
Gordon
I've never played with one in person, so looking at the instructions here http://www.sargentandgreenleaf.com/pdf/ ... ins_op.pdf you are totally correct. Now I want one for my collection =) I see they just got rid of the thumb turn and made the entire dial complete the action that the thumb turn used to do, is that correct?
If for some reason this safe is actually set to the factory combination of "50" this is something worth trying:
1. Turn dial counterclockwise stopping when "50" is aligned with the opening index the fourth time.
2. Turn dial clockwise, stopping when "0" is aligned with the index mark the first time.
3. With "0" aligned with the index, push dial in firmly and release to activate lever assembly.
4. Turn dial clockwise until the bolt retracts. The dial should come to a positive stop around 85. If the combination has been dialed correctly, the safe/cabinet may be opened (by throwing the handle)
Yes, the entire dial has replaced the thumb turn (which was a little bit of a pain, since you needed to use two hands - one to hold the dial at 0, and the other to turn the thumb turn).
So the upgrade was nice. And there is one of both flavors in my collection. Just not at home to pull it out and check, which is why was not positive.
Gordon
EDIT: Some of the old Diebold vault/safe locks work in this manner, except you did not need to turn the dial to 0 before pushing the dial in.
Just when you finally think you have learned it all, that is when you learn that you don't know anything yet.
Well guys thanks for the info. Looks like I have some work ahead of me. Now is there any test I can do on this lock to verify that it is in fact an S&G 8500?
williamjcoates wrote:Well guys thanks for the info. Looks like I have some work ahead of me. Now is there any test I can do on this lock to verify that it is in fact an S&G 8500?
well... can you turn the dial to 0 and push the dial in 1/4 inch and then release it? only that model and the 8550 do that on S&G locks of that era based on the dial and dial ring you have. The 2937 does the "press dial in at 0' thing too, but it can't be that model, the dial doesn't match and that lock just came out less than 5 years ago.
Just not at home to pull it out and check, which is why was not positive.