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Postby stainless steel » 13 Apr 2015 13:45

I have two assa locks oval cylinder 5 pin witout the key to them .
ass i understand you shoud be able to shim yhem from behind but the it dosent work have taken the clip in the back of but the shim only go in a litle bit its not bekous of the pins bekous i have tryed it on the side but whit no luck to get the shim in more tha 5 mm. :evil: :?:
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Re: assa lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 13 Apr 2015 14:19

When you are shimming them from behind, you need to raise the pins with a pick to find the shear line between the driver pins and the key pins.

ASSA locks can be tricky with this because of the special pins they use. But it can be done. Sometimes I find it easier to lift the back pin stack all the way up, then keep trying to get the shim to slide in as I lower the pins stack.

If you are used to mounting the locks with the pins at the bottom of the keyway, then switch everything I said from 'raise' to 'lower'. :)

It may help us to see the keyway of the lock, as some ASSA locks are made differently.

Good luck!

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Re: assa lock

Postby stainless steel » 13 Apr 2015 14:24

GWiens2001 wrote:When you are shimming them from behind, you need to raise the pins with a pick to find the shear line between the driver pins and the key pins.

ASSA locks can be tricky with this because of the special pins they use. But it can be done. Sometimes I find it easier to lift the back pin stack all the way up, then keep trying to get the shim to slide in as I lower the pins stack.

If you are used to mounting the locks with the pins at the bottom of the keyway, then switch everything I said from 'raise' to 'lower'. :)

It may help us to see the keyway of the lock, as some ASSA locks are made differently.

Good luck!

Gordon

no i have tried to test if the shim vill go in beside to test if the shimm is korekt size but itt will only go in 5 mm im not doing itt direktly to the pins bekous i am only testing if the shim fitt and i can get the first pin to hit the shear line but the shimm stops at the same lengst in the cylinter all the tim novere wear i shim it
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Re: assa lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 13 Apr 2015 15:13

Again, can we get a picture. Am trying to see what type of ASSA lock it is. If you are trying to shim an ASSA Twin and are on the wrong side, you will hit the sidebar, which can not be shimmed.

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Re: assa lock

Postby stainless steel » 14 Apr 2015 8:53

http://imgur.com/kdmnQ48
the litle piese of shim is how far it goes down and i have tried to get the shim in all around the plug
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Re: assa lock

Postby Squelchtone » 14 Apr 2015 9:01

stainless steel wrote:http://imgur.com/kdmnQ48
the litle piese of shim is how far it goes down and i have tried to get the shim in all around the plug


ok, looks like an ASSA 600 Scandanavian Oval..

are you shimming from the front where the key goes in or from the back?

it wont work from the front, there is a lip like this:
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Re: assa lock

Postby stainless steel » 14 Apr 2015 9:21

Its 5 pins and i shim from the back
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Re: assa lock

Postby stainless steel » 14 Apr 2015 11:56

http://imgur.com/EWtDa9J
whit my curiosoty i cut one open to se what it was and to make a key to the 3 other i have they komme from a friend that had lost the key to the locks so i did het them from him aS training locks
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Re: assa lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 14 Apr 2015 12:10

From the second picture, you can see that the back of the plug has a slightly thinner area up to just before the fifth pin. Your shim is getting stuck there.

Have found that commercial lock shims are too thick for ASSA locks. My only success with shims for some ASSA locks has been using the extra thin shims found in the security tags on DVD movies and other such things. The shims inside the security tags are about 1/3 the thickness of the shims sold to locksmiths. That means that they are weaker, but will fit into the shear line of even an ASSA Twin lock.

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Re: assa lock

Postby stainless steel » 14 Apr 2015 12:22

GWiens2001 wrote:From the second picture, you can see that the back of the plug has a slightly thinner area up to just before the fifth pin. Your shim is getting stuck there.

Have found that commercial lock shims are too thick for ASSA locks. My only success with shims for some ASSA locks has been using the extra thin shims found in the security tags on DVD movies and other such things. The shims inside the security tags are about 1/3 the thickness of the shims sold to locksmiths. That means that they are weaker, but will fit into the shear line of even an ASSA Twin lock.

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ye but if you lok klosley the plug have a bit of miling done where te pins are i did get a shim made out of a coke can in to two pins then it did brake
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Re: assa lock

Postby GWiens2001 » 14 Apr 2015 12:24

Coke cans are probably too thick for an ASSA. Also, aluminum is weak compared to the stainless steel shims.

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Re: assa lock

Postby stainless steel » 14 Apr 2015 13:52

when i alredy have a tread about the lock do someone now the key type in the lock
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