Need help with a strongbox/lockbox

[Zenophryk]

So I picked up this little lockbox for $20 it's 4" wide 5" high and 3.5" deep. Solid heavy metal. the door has no hinges, I'm sure it will just come out all together when unlocked. The keyhole is in the middle of the door, with a plastic spring loaded flap covering it. can't find a manufacturer name anywhere. the plastic flap has a logo on it.
her are some pictures

The logo on the flap.


Keyway.
http://itconsultingnow.com/Lock/keyway1.jpg

close-up of the keyway
http://itconsultingnow.com/Lock/keyway2.jpg


So I have been able to get an orthoscopic camera into the box through one of the mounting holes in the back. There's a key inside, but it looks like a regular key. there's also a chain. the key could certainly be on the end of the chain. The person who sold this to me said there is likely a spare key to it inside. The lag bolts for mounting this to a wall are also inside.
My suspicion is that this box was pried off a wall somewhere with a crowbar, and sat is a pile of junk somewhere until someone decided to sell it to me.

Anyone have any idea what kind of key this takes? and maybe how to attempt to pick this lock. I briefly felt around the inside with one of my picks and nothing was moving for me.

-Zenophryk

EDIT: Changed picture from super-duper size to a link. Please resize photos for the forum to a more usable size. Thank You.

GWiens2001

[GWiens2001]

There will not be a spare key to this supra lock-box inside. It was pried from a building somewhere, and the key inside is the key to whichever building it was attached to.

The key for that box is with the fire department, who are the only people authorized to have that key. Unfortunately, further details on the lock itself are restricted. Will only say that it is a disc detainer lock.

Gordon

[Zenophryk]

So after some searching, I found that this is a Supra Safe 2, and the key is something that's supposedly limited to fire departments. hmm. where to get one of those keys?

-zenophryk

[Squelchtone]

So after some searching, I found that this is a Supra Safe 2, and the key is something that's supposedly limited to fire departments. hmm. where to get one of those keys?

-zenophryk

you wont get them.. they're mailed to that town and that fire dept and that's it. I know those are popular in your area.. I remember a building in Acton had one on it instead of a Knox Box.

[Zenophryk]

Yea, no way of knowing were it was yanked from. Not even sure which town it originated in. I wonder if there's a way to open it from the back. Or maybe if I bring it to a fire house? or figure out a picking method if I could see what a similar key might look like.

-zenophryk

[Squelchtone]

Yea, no way of knowing were it was yanked from. Not even sure which town it originated in. I wonder if there's a way to open it from the back. Or maybe if I bring it to a fire house? or figure out a picking method if I could see what a similar key might look like.

-zenophryk

Do not bring it to a fire house.. they'll more than likely call the cops, and I'm not kidding.. they dont know you're a hobbyist, or if you just ripped the box off a building yourself. if you were to get the key to that box, you now have the key to every business in town or the area, the fire dept surely would not want that happening. each box in town has the same key, inside is the actual key to the building it is mounted on, that way the fire men dont have to carry around a ring with 200 keys on it to open a business when there's an alarm or fire. They just carry that 1 key that's common to all the boxes in town or geographical area.

Squelchtone

[Zenophryk]

I can certainly see the wisdom in not bringing it to a fire house. Ok, I'll skip that route.
That leaves picking or some sort of rear entry

I stuck a camera into the back through a mounting hole. The back of the lock looks like a standard cabinet lock with just a threaded tail piece. it's bolted to a bar. It looks like when they key is turned, this bar will rotate 90 degrees out of the slot or flange that's holding the door in. So If I can get that nut off then I'm sure the door will just pop off.
one way would be to drill a hole in the dead center that's big enough for a nut driver to fit through.

or I could try to go through one of the existing off center holes. does anyone know of some sort of orthoscopic pliers or adjustable wrench?

-Zenophryk

[GWiens2001]

Won't go into details, but it ain't that simple. Taking off that nut will not let you into the box.

Gordon

[phoneman85]

I'd bet it has boltwork similar to a full sized safe, or the coin door on a payphone. Even if you got the nut off, the boltwork would still hold it in there. You'd likely have to destroy it to get it open. I'd just keep it as a display, or scrap it if I were you, they are made to be secure.

[GWiens2001]

I'd bet it has boltwork similar to a full sized safe, or the coin door on a payphone. Even if you got the nut off, the boltwork would still hold it in there. You'd likely have to destroy it to get it open. I'd just keep it as a display, or scrap it if I were you, they are made to be secure.

Nope. Very different.

Gordon

[nick08037]

In our jurisdiction we use the Knox box system, the building owner installs the box, the FD has the (master) key, FD must open the box for the building owner to secure their keys. The system provides for emergency entry to the secured facility, otherwise it is an axe and halligan bar for the job. Most locations using these boxes will have security alarms on the entry points and the boxes can be fitted to trip the security system when opened. It has already been noted here that the keys are closely guarded for obvious reasons and fire departments are unlikely to entertain any inquires from the general public on their use. Good luck with your Supra box, let us know what you come up with for it.

[Zenophryk]

Right now it's sitting on my desk next to my monitors. It's staring at me. Mocking me. I don't want to try a destructive entry, because I would like to reuse the box. And I don't need the contents, So I have no urgent need to get into it. So some time when I'm bored I might start thinking about it again.
I could drill out the cylinder, but it would be cool to save the cylinder also. So we'll see what happens.

-Zenophryk