88 ball eurocylinder

[Sinifar]

Okay, I am a very old smith -- most know that. I know Euro cylinders. At least the ones around here. SO yesterday I get a call from a lady who has no keys for hers, on a storm door / security door. I figure from the call, no problem......

SO I get out there, and it is indeed a euro cylinder. Getting it out of the door, it looks okay at first, then I get back to the truck and on the bench.

First the bible is does not have the plastic slide like CES does. Nor does it have the set screws over each one, This one has the caps pressed in. SO I have a bag of set screws, and a tap, just drill the caps out and got on with it... those caps are HARD. The drill will slightly penetrate even one of them. Time to take the puppy totally apart from the inside.

But first, rather than go thru this in the field, why not just replace the unit with one I have on hand? Get out my euro kit, and grab a rekeyed unit on hand. Umm.... it is about 30% bigger then this unit. It won't go into the door, no way no how. Okay back to taking the thing apart.

This unit has 2 "AR-18" type cams just held on by the back of the plug and the inside turn. A "c" clip holds each side into the body. No problem, but here is the real thing, it is not standard size. My plug follower won't go in. It is smaller -- wait until you find out how much -- so since I had the drill out, just grab a 7/16 drill that will fit into the inside, then shim the thing, and get it apart.

Now the fun begins. Whatever this is, it isn't Schlage, although the keyway is. The dial caliper is giving me funny lengths for the pins. Screw cutting a key, just rekey it. Grab a key out of the ready box. In the end -- one with " 7 - 5 - 3" cuts. It turns out that the "7" will work fine with a .225 pin. The "5" will work with a .180 pin and the three? .150! This isn't the usual drop one number and pin, it is 4 lower. Got the plug back into the bible, it works like glass. Now to assemble it.

Most of that goes together will, except the spring and ball for the inside turn. For that I drilled a hole in the bottom where the thing goes in, then dropped the spring in and the ball, then pushed the whole thing down while inserting the turn. Then the last "c" clip went in and an hour later this job was done.

MY question is has anyone else run into a "small" euro cylinder? Who makes it? Probably Chinese - it has a paper tag on it which said "H" - so ??

Just another day out in the field.

Sinifar

[Squelchtone]

Was it euro or oval? I have a Papaiz from Brazil that is smaller than a euro but it is scandinavian oval format and has split cams in the middle. Was this some custom format used by someone like Anderson doors that was used in storm doors and patio doors but never caught on? The cylinder I have is old. probably 1960's.

Looks like they still sell it, check it out http://www.lockmonster.co.uk/prod/papai ... t-cam.html

[GWiens2001]

Have made a key for a Paipaz like the one Squelchtone linked, and recently for a Cisa with the same format. The width of the lock body is about the same as the bible of a euro-profile cylinder. Did a post on making a key for the Paipaz a while back.

Would like to see a pic of the lock you worked with, sinifar.

Gordon

[Sinifar]

Unfortunately, the stupid new cell phone will not transfer photos to the puter. SO it is a euro lock, it looks like a "keyhole" it does look a lot like the ones used on Anderson doors, but those are the regular size. Could be that Papiz lock, but I don't know.

Sorry about that.

Sinifar