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An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

This area is for discussing the installation and troubleshooting of access control, prox reader, strikes, or electronic prox fob and keypad locks. No bypass or Advanced techniques please.

An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby MatrixBlackRock » 28 May 2015 19:30

This is a access control designed to provide access to a manned, but secured location, via either a hardwired button, keypad or keyswitch and or wireless keyfob. It is not designed to and should not be used to provide a method of egress.

A typical application would be a commercial storefront, where a visitor would ring up a buzzer or intercom and once identified someone inside the secured location would "buzz" the door open and allow them to enter.

Now the most common problem with door buzzers is, someone has to press a button and hold it until the person at the door gains access, this often leads to a series of errors in timing and sometimes a bit of frustration.

This design solves that problem.

Over the years I have built a few dozen of these but never documented such, the reason being, until this forum came along, who would care?

None the less here we go.

The bill of materials is:

A power supply and transformer that matches the door strike.
A wireless receiver that will provide a positive pulse when it receives a signal from a learned transmitter.
A timer module, I use the Altronix 6062.
A sensitive relay, again an Altronix RBSNTTL.
A 100mf 50 volt electrolytic capacitor.
A Gel-cell battery or batteries to match the power supplies voltage.
A housing for everything to be installed into and battery terminals, hookup wire, Ty-Pads and Ty-Wraps.

The operation of this control is very simple, once an access button is pressed and access is then granted via a contact closure, the timer unlocks the door strike and holds it unlocked until it times out, this allows the laggard at the door plenty of time to get their act together and enter the building, but we don't want that door strike to remain engaged once the person opens that door, enters the building and that door closes latching into the strike.

Follow throughs are a serious security risk.

This is where the sensitive relay comes into place, the power for the timer and the strike are provided through the normally open contacts of the sensitive relay, in turn the sensitive relay is energized by a standard normally closed alarm system magnetic contact installed on the door, as long as the door is closed the sensitive relay remains engaged and provides power to the timer and the strike it controls.

Now, once the door is opened, the magnetic alarm contact drops out causing the sensitive relay to drop out and dump power to the timer and strike, ensuring once the door closes, it will be secured by the strike.

And as for the 100mf cap, it gets placed between the + and - terminals of the sensitive relay, it's propose is to provide a couple of seconds delay in the drop-out of the relay to suppress any inductive kick-back from the strike falseing an door open condition on long cable runs, where it is common for the strike and door position contact to be within the same cable.

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Re: An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby cledry » 28 May 2015 20:49

Nice Wayne, we have used those same timers and sensitive relays or Elk units in a number of applications like this. Another application was when a trucking company wanted a door bell to signal with an alarm and strobe until the door was opened. We used a sensitive relay to accomplish this.

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Re: An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby MatrixBlackRock » 28 May 2015 21:01

cledry wrote:Image


Elk eh, that's Wade Moose's company restarted. ;-)

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Re: An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby nick08037 » 28 May 2015 21:33

MatrixBlackRock wrote:
cledry wrote:Image


Elk eh, that's Wade Moose's company restarted. ;-)

Wayne


Yes, Wade Moose and his Elk company reincarnation - nice products
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Re: An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby tomasfuk » 29 May 2015 2:12

MatrixBlackRock wrote:...A 100mf 50 volt electrolytic capacitor.... it gets placed between the + and - terminals of the sensitive relay...

Did you mean 100 µF /50 V?
FYI, I looked for 0.1 F (=100 mF) supercapacitors in Farnell catalogue; the highest voltage which I found was 5.5 V.
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Re: An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby tomasfuk » 29 May 2015 2:21

P.S. and I would strongly recommend to put a small resistor (10-20 Ω) in series with the capacitor - otherwise you destroy the contact which switches power to the relay.
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Re: An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby MatrixBlackRock » 29 May 2015 8:54

nick08037 wrote:Yes, Wade Moose and his Elk company reincarnation - nice products


Don't know if you remember the Z-1100 but that was one of the most lightning proof 8 zone panels ever offered and since Florida is the lightning capitol of the U.S., it became my first choice for commercial burg installs.

Moose was good equipment, but by the time Elk was resurrected from the ashes of Moose, I had sold off my accounts and retired from the security business.

But nothing remains static, I am in the process of getting my state EF license reissued by DBPR/ECLB and as I told my wife will go back in seeking out jobs that I wish to do and can make a decent profit on while walking from those I don't feel 100% about.

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Re: An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby MatrixBlackRock » 29 May 2015 8:56

tomasfuk wrote:P.S. and I would strongly recommend to put a small resistor (10-20 Ω) in series with the capacitor - otherwise you destroy the contact which switches power to the relay.


You know I have never had a problem with that probably due to loop resistance and inductance, however none the less, it is an excellent suggestion as the charging current if not limited could very weld a reed shut.

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Re: An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby jeffmoss26 » 29 May 2015 9:25

Very nice work, Wayne!
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Re: An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby MatrixBlackRock » 30 May 2015 16:24

As installed.

With just a couple of minor changes this is the installed and working unit. I was advised the strike was 24 VDC, but when I pulled it to rewire the door, I discovered it was a vintage Folger Adam 310 12 volt DC unit, oddly enough I discovered not only was it not 24 VDC the original installer was operating it off of a hard wired 24 VAC transformer wired into the exit sign above the door. :-( Anyhow I added a couple of 47 ohm 5 watt resistors in parallel that are then wired in series with the strike feed, this dropped the voltage to the strike to 14 VDC under load, a second addition based on a recommendation by tomasfuk, was the inclusion of a 100 ohm 1/8 watt resistor to limit the current on the door closed loop, preventing the snubber cap charge amperage from damaging the reed switch in the door closed contact and a third addition was the addition of a green LED pilot light to visually indicate the unit had received a valid code and was powering the latch.

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And as we all know, the job is not complete until the paperwork is done and that includes helpful tips such as, tech docs and things like where did I install that plug in transformer and where does the outlet it's plugged into get it's power from. Info like that really helps out he next guy when he is out there TS'ing a problem and sometimes I am that guy.

I cannot speak for anyone else here, but I have literally gone out on jobs, that I installed, but cannot remember those seemingly trivial at the time types of details, so I learned the hard way a little time up front, saves a lot of time and face, a couple of years down the road.

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Re: An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby cledry » 30 May 2015 19:59

Nice clean install Wayne.
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Re: An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby jeffmoss26 » 30 May 2015 20:39

That work is the mark of a true professional!
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Re: An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby MatrixBlackRock » 31 May 2015 14:36

Thanks you for the comments, I try to do my work in the same manner I would expect it be done for me.

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Re: An inexpensive but practicle single door access control.

Postby dll932 » 6 Jul 2016 10:14

MatrixBlackRock wrote:Thanks you for the comments, I try to do my work in the same manner I would expect it be done for me.

Wayne

Good job. Almost looks like avionics wiring standards. The notes are a great idea.
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