Need help with ASSA 600

[Snakedoc]

Hey guys,
I've been struggling with this lock for a few days now and thought it's about time I ask for some advice. I am stuck at a false set after lifting the 4th binder. I can take out my tension wrench and the core stays in the false set without returning to zero. I have to rotate it back with the wrench to restart. This is my first encounter with threaded chambers and ASSA security pins so any advice would be greatly appreciated. These sure don't pick like American, Schlage or even Abus security pins.

[stainless steel]

Hey guys,
I've been struggling with this lock for a few days now and thought it's about time I ask for some advice. I am stuck at a false set after lifting the 4th binder. I can take out my tension wrench and the core stays in the false set without returning to zero. I have to rotate it back with the wrench to restart. This is my first encounter with threaded chambers and ASSA security pins so any advice would be greatly appreciated. These sure don't pick like American, Schlage or even Abus security pins.

They have double spools so lock out whit threded champers can make so you need to set everething several time and also it is so you need to spin it back to get them to fall down again

[Snakedoc]

Roger that.

[Snakedoc]

I'm still stuck at a false set. Just to clarify..... I'm using TOK tension with a Peterson gem. The sequence of binding is 6,1,2,3 with big turn of the core and I'm stuck. There is zero feedback from the pins after hitting pin 3. The big question is..... How do you avoid or counter the pins getting cought in the counter milling. I know how to ride the tension as I push up spools, I've tried bringing the core closer to 12 o'clock position after the false set hits but no luck with releasing the stuck pins.

[GWiens2001]

The Christmas tree double spool pins really love to hang tight in the counter milling in the plug of an ASSA. They are a difficult lock to learn to pick. They have high tolerances.

You will have to turn the plug back a little with the tension wrench to set those pins. Other pins will fall back down. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.

The best thing you can do is to disassemble the lock, and set it up with just one pin stack. I'd recommend a stack with the spools that are showing you their love. Then practice with that pin stack until you have it down. This way you can learn the characteristics of that type of pin, and how to deal with them without interference from the other pins.

Then add another stack, and so forth.

How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

Good luck,

Gordon

[stainless steel]

Even whit my no name assa 700 i get situetions where i can drop my tension wrench down and almost break my pick to set a pin becous it so good pins the crismas pins an their spools even when chinese copy it it gets to be good pins

[Snakedoc]

I really appreciate the input fellas. Sadly I don't have a key for the lock so I don't think I can disassemble it till it's picked. I'm trying to order another ASSA 600 with chambers drilled out so I can make a practice lock out of it. I'll keep you guys posted if I make any progress. This lock is certainly humbling.

[kwoswalt99-]

Do you get a really deep false set quickly?

[UnlockingBoredom]

I have one kind of like that, Here is what the insides of mine look like (probably yours too!)


3 spools, 3 christmas tree and 1 standard to keep it from being loose.

Gordon is correct, you have to use your tension wrench to back off just a little and work that christmas tree pin up. you may drop other pins but just keep at it and you will get it. The first time I tried one of these locks it took 14 minutes and 19 minutes the second time. I actually like them better then American locks because the keyway is more open.

[GWiens2001]

If you get the shims from a security tag, those are thin enough to shim the shear line of the ASSA 700. The commercial 'locksmith' shims are far too thick to use in the ASSA locks I have tried them with. The tolerances of the ASSA locks these days are very good, so only the extra thin shims from security tags will fit. They even work with the ASSA Twin Combi locks I got without keys.

Gordon

[stainless steel]

I have one kind of like that, Here is what the insides of mine look like (probably yours too!)


3 spools, 3 christmas tree and 1 standard to keep it from being loose.

Gordon is correct, you have to use your tension wrench to back off just a little and work that christmas tree pin up. you may drop other pins but just keep at it and you will get it. The first time I tried one of these locks it took 14 minutes and 19 minutes the second time. I actually like them better then American locks because the keyway is more open.

your lock isent a real assa the real ones it harder more toleranses i have one of these to and mine is mad its hard to pick i dont even try to pick real ones

[UnlockingBoredom]

I know mine is not a real ASSA lock, I was just showing the christmas tree pins that are most likely in the OPs lock.

I would love to pick a real ASSA lock to see what the difference is in picking..

[Snakedoc]

Update: I have broken through the wall but yet to open the lock. The trick is the have an extremely tight fitting tension wrench. The core needs to be rotated to extreme precise angles to push past the counter milling. There is zero feedback from the spools as you push up on them so I have to find a binder and very slowly rotate the core back closer to 12 o'clock position, hoping not to undo everything I've done so far. Will keep you guys posted.

[Snakedoc]

Do you get a really deep false set quickly?

Yes.

[Snakedoc]

If you get the shims from a security tag, those are thin enough to shim the shear line of the ASSA 700. The commercial 'locksmith' shims are far too thick to use in the ASSA locks I have tried them with. The tolerances of the ASSA locks these days are very good, so only the extra thin shims from security tags will fit. They even work with the ASSA Twin Combi locks I got without keys.

Gordon

I'll give that a try, thanks Gordon.