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List of security pins in locks.

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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby GWiens2001 » 8 Jun 2014 8:05

Normal behavior.

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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby sterry20 » 14 Jun 2014 8:53

a guy ask a question where to buy security pins well i got in trouble for asking a question but im going to answer it any way because its imfomation hard to come by but american security pins can be bought cheap at MR. LOCK i think you get one hundred for about 5.00 or 6.00 bucks they have pin sets of all kinds but im not sure about what kind of security pins they stock besides american i hope this help yall and im sure im going to get in trouble again but i think its worth it if i help yall after all thats what this forum is for isnt it?
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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby peterwn » 30 Jun 2014 3:31

GWiens2001 wrote:Banham security pins are pretty cool.

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That set furthest on the right is at the key bow (accurately number 1), and both the key pin and driver pin are magnetic! Those mushroom pins are serious, too.

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Back in 1960's Yale in UK (before Williams and then ASSA mergers - although USA Yale had bought out H&TV, and Yale in turn bought out ETAS and others in UK) put 2 spool drivers in its standard 5 pin cylinders (2nd and 4th position) and in mid 1960's put in three spool drivers (1st, 3rd, and 5th). They used three (I think) lengths of driver so pin stack heights were approximately equal. I do not recollect magnetic pins being used!

The Banham mushroom pins pictured look the same as Yale pins. A Banham cylinder and key I saw years ago looked very much as if it had been manufactured by Yale (Banham AFAIK contracts out its manufacturing). It had what looked like a Yale multiplex keyway and the key had a square bow as Yale masterkeys had and was numbered BAN nnnn. It complied with BS3621 for pick resistant locks and this requires at least 5 levers or 6 pins with an anti-pick device (spool pins would be acceptable) and at least 1000 differs off levers or pins. The lock had to be tested 10,000 times (I think) and a key with one cut one level higher or lower was not to operate the lock after the test. Masterkeying not permitted. Banham also sold cast bronze Yale padlocks branded Banham.

The cylinder normally be prone to bumping if you could find a key that entered the cylinder that could be filed down (Yale did not sell blanks for its multiplex keyways in UK), and Banham (founded AFAIK by a former police detective) would have been aware of this. So the magnetic driver/ pin would defeat bumping would have been a factor in explaining why Banham locks were popular with insurance companies in London. Others may know more about this than I do.

More recent Banham lock cylinders I think use a dimple key - I used one when I stayed in a friend's flat in London a few years ago.
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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby lovelocks +1 » 11 Aug 2014 22:13

Nice thread. I need this kind of info. I just ordered a set of security pins, just so I can add them into the locks I own and of course all my future locks. I love looking at all the variations that come in stock locks.
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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby Punt » 21 Mar 2015 14:35

2 american locks.


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and some homemades why not

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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby johnnie_walker » 29 Jun 2015 20:17

The most recent locks sold at Home Depot stores in USA:

Kwikset deadbolt 660 series: 2 spool pins

http://s296.photobucket.com/user/js1741 ... o.jpg.html


Schlage deadbolt B60: 4 spool pins

http://s296.photobucket.com/user/js1741 ... t.jpg.html


Defiant DL61: 3 spool pins

http://s296.photobucket.com/user/js1741 ... w.jpg.html
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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby arielschoenberg » 6 Aug 2015 18:33

this is a great thread i enjoyed it. I am going to gut a medco lock soon and provide you guys with pics
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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby GWiens2001 » 24 Sep 2015 23:14

Master warded padlock. Spool pin between the third and fourth ward.

Bwahahahah! Just kidding. :lol:

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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby Nagelfar » 7 Oct 2015 14:42

this is the first 4 pins of my ASSA RUKO 2, the pic gets cut for some reason.
but ill se if i can fix it, if not ill take some new pics.
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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby Korver15 » 8 Oct 2015 0:02

Nagelfar wrote:this is the first 4 pins of my ASSA RUKO 2, the pic gets cut for some reason.
but ill se if i can fix it, if not ill take some new pics.
http://i.imgur.com/EkpMZz7.jpg?1


If you go to imgur and edit the picture to be smaller i think it is no more than 800x600 or so. Then update the link.
mmmmm gotta love christmas tree pins! Show me dat core counter milling :twisted:
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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby Nagelfar » 10 Nov 2015 17:04

So, i got another used ASSA RUKO 2, and was kinda happy getting it open, untill i looked inside.
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well atleast i will be able to make it a bit more fun :)
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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby Wizer » 11 Nov 2015 9:52

Wow, Nagelfar, thats a lot of master wafers.
There must be hundreds of keys that open the lock.
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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby kwoswalt99- » 11 Nov 2015 15:34

3,920 to be exact! Probably not that many though, because I don't think some of those cuts could even fit on the key.
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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby Nagelfar » 11 Nov 2015 15:55

Well its common to use the ASSA RUKO 2 in apartmen buildnings around here, so its not that wierd. my guess would be that there might be <100 keys that would open it.
I love the locks, but i feel i might have to get myself an ASSA pinning kit so i can get rid of all the master wafers, becose i had to ceep 5 so that my keys would work.
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Re: List of security pins in locks.

Postby Papa Gleb » 12 Nov 2015 10:24

That really is an unbelievable amount of wafers lol. Never seen that many. I wonder how long that will take to put back together lol.

There is a seller on ebay who is also on the boards, I forget the name but they are selling Assa blanks and have a nice list to choose from. Maybe you can check with him for a blank to cut yourself a new bitting.
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