Tips on picking this Schlage?

[ARF-GEF]

OMG all these American deadbolt-rim cylinder-mortice cylinder stuff confuse me... I'm lucky I'm in Europe here 99% of locks are simple Euro profile locks. Even secondary ones tend to have a Euro cylinder in the core. So that way there is better interchangeability than with having all those different stuff.

So could someone explain me as if I were 10 years old what's the difference between all these stuff and how to differentiate between the when I see one?

[femurat]

I found some info on lockwiki.

Cheers

[GWiens2001]

OMG all these American deadbolt-rim cylinder-mortice cylinder stuff confuse me... I'm lucky I'm in Europe here 99% of locks are simple Euro profile locks. Even secondary ones tend to have a Euro cylinder in the core. So that way there is better interchangeability than with having all those different stuff.

So could someone explain me as if I were 10 years old what's the difference between all these stuff and how to differentiate between the when I see one?

My son knows the difference, and he's only 8 years old. (For another 6 weeks.)

Gordon

[fgarci03]

I'm lucky I'm in Europe here 99% of locks are simple Euro profile locks.

+1!

I have a bit of trouble too. Don't really care as what ARF-GEF said is totaly true. When I have doubs I google it

[ARF-GEF]

My son knows the difference, and he's only 8 years old. (For another 6 weeks.)

Gordon

I'm sorry if I came across wrong way. All I wanted to say is that I'm confused with all these stuff.
About your child: I think he is particularly well trained in locks thanks to his father

With the

explain me as if I were 10 years old

I wanted to ask someone to explain it in a simple and straightforward way.
We use this expression regularly here (to explain something to me as if I were 10 or 8 or whatever= explain it to me as if you would to a newbie, as simply as you can).
I thought it was used in the English speaking countries too.



If it was confusing I'm sorry, let me rephrase my post:
I'm confused by the difference between deadbolt-rim cylinder-mortice cylinder.
I think I'm lucky that we have it so well standardised in Europe.
Could someone explain it to me in a very simple and easy to understand way?

[fgarci03]

I'm sorry if I came across wrong way. All I wanted to say is that I'm confused with all these stuff.

I think Gordon was making fun of you, and not being angry at your sentence (making fun = respectufully of course!)

Here the expression is: "Explain me as if I was really dumb!"
It was made popular by a comercial add many years ago. Don't remember what it advertised though.

[GWiens2001]

ARF-GEF

Sorry, no insult intended! It is as fgarc03 said, I was trying to nicely tease you.

I am not a locksmith, so to the many of you here who know more than I do, please feel free to chime in and correct anything that I misunderstand. I still have LOTS to learn! so here goes:

The mortise lock cylinders are round and threaded, with the intent of being screwed into a mortise assembly in a door. They are retained within the mortise in a similar way to a euro profile lock, with a screw that is run from the side and holds into a channel in the threads.

A rim cylinder is also round, but not usually threaded. In the back are two screw holes that are used to retain the rim cylinder within the lock assembly. They are (as I understand it) frequently used in panic bar locks, and some night-latch type locks.

Deadbolt locks are also frequently held in place with two screws from the back of the cylinder. The drive cam - usually a flat metal bar - passes through a slot or cross shaped cam that drives the bolt.

To add to the confusion, I have some cylinders that have both the threads of a mortise and the screw holes of a rim cylinder. Not sure what the correct term for those cylinders would be. Shall we make some up? Morim? Mortrim? Rimortise? Rimtise?

Gordon

[ARF-GEF]

Gorddon

I knew you're a nice guy so I knew you didn't mean any insult to me. I was afraid that I accidentally insulted you in some way!
I'm glad we cleared it that noone wanted to insult anyone, it was just some slight complication in the communication.
It's hard for me to realise sarcasm and the finest nuances of the English language, especially without smilies and intonation.

Also one can never know what might be insulting in a foreign culture. I travelled a lot so I know how easily cultural differences may lead to unintended insults so I'm very tolerant on my side. But I also try to be very careful and straightforward so as to not insult anyone.

And thank you very much for your description!

[GWiens2001]

Having travelled quite a bit as well, I agree that slight differences in culture can create major misunderstandings. I do not take offense easily, either.

A good example of slight cultural differences creating havoc happened between two friends of mine. He thought it would be nice to give her flowers. She would have liked them, too. Except he chose to give her chrysanthemums,because he thought they were pretty. In quite a few places, those flowers are only used for one purpose... funerals. To him, the flowers meant he thought she was pretty. To her, she thought they meant he wished she was dead. OOPS! Took a while to get her to tell me what she was so upset about, then to explain to him what he had done "wrong". It was not fun being caught in the middle of that storm!

Gordon

[peterwn]

don't get too excited: somebody put an abloy kik in a schlage moritce

You could probably put in a Bilock kik as well.

[GWiens2001]

don't get too excited: somebody put an abloy kik in a schlage moritce

You could probably put in a Bilock kik as well.

My BiLock KIK cylinders are brass, while this lock as a brushed steel finish. But yes, any standard KIK cylinder would fit.

Gordon

[MatrixBlackRock]

The mortise lock cylinders are round and threaded, with the intent of being screwed into a mortise assembly in a door. They are retained within the mortise in a similar way to a euro profile lock, with a screw that is run from the side and holds into a channel in the threads. Gordon

And just to add a bit more confusion and frustration to someone working on such, IC cylinders have a setscrew that can be tightened from the inside of the cylinder precluding removal of the cylinder without pulling the core, even if one has the door opened and access to the external setscrew.







Wayne