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by UnlockingBoredom » 21 Jul 2015 20:36
Checked out prices for the cutters I will need for this machine.... Wow, I will spend more money on the 4 cutters (CW-14MC, CW-90MC, CW-1011 and CW-1012) then I have spent on all 4 cutting machines I own... Micrometric, Rytan (RY100), HPC Blitz and HPC Scotsman. I call the scotsman Sparky... I think the motor could use a little work I guess I really only need the 14MC, 1011 and 1012 right now... I dont think I will be cutting any Medeco keys.... that brings it down to around 300.00
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by zeke79 » 21 Jul 2015 21:16
Send them to Gil Ray tools and have them sharpened and matched to each other. You won't need to recalibrate when switching between cutters and should cost less than half of buying new.
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by zeke79 » 21 Jul 2015 21:18
I should have said if you have the cutters and they are dull.
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by UnlockingBoredom » 21 Jul 2015 23:57
Thanks Zeke, I only have a dull 14MC.. I have a friend checking on prices now
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by tomasfuk » 22 Jul 2015 5:37
UnlockingBoredom wrote:Wow, I will spend more money on the 4 cutters (CW-14MC, CW-90MC, CW-1011 and CW-1012) then I have spent on all 4 cutting machines I own...
The problem is that you bought these 4 machines too cheaply Anyway, does anybody an experience with Chinese cutters RAISE? You can buy all 4 above mentioned cutters for $ 220 in total. CW-14MC etc.
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by UnlockingBoredom » 22 Jul 2015 8:55
tomasfuk wrote:The problem is that you bought these 4 machines too cheaply Anyway, does anybody an experience with Chinese cutters RAISE? You can buy all 4 above mentioned cutters for $ 220 in total. CW-14MC etc.
Yeah I saw that on lockpicks.com but didn't know if I would trust the brand. I am not a locksmith so unless I let me nephew use the code machine, I don't think it will get enough use to determine if if they are good or bad... I will wait to see what I can get HPC cutters for first and if they are just out of my price range I will consider the Raise ones.
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by bfairbank » 22 Jul 2015 12:45
Wow you did an amazing job restoring your blitz! It looks great!!
I have the same machine and have used it for years. It has just started acting up on me this week. I have a calibration kit and have recalibrated mine several times. Problem I have is once it is exact with the calibration tools once I put the 1011 cutter back on and try cutting an automotive key, depth and spacing are wrong. I've called HPC and can send it in for repairs (they are just as confused about it as I am) but I will be without it for at least 2 months. I have a pak-a-punch but limited vices for automotive. I can't afford to be without my machine for several months. Any ideas on how to fix it myself? I have already verified I was using the correct card, cutter, jaw and tip stops so it has to be something with the gears or something else. It makes no sense to me to show fully calibrated with calibration card, key and slot but then not cut keys correctly.
As for code cards, I have the original HPC cards but I also print out extra ones or ones I don't have. I subscribe to lockcodes.com, the annual fee is very reasonable and allows you to look up codes even on the go. You can print any needed cards onto cardstock and laminate them. I prefer codes on line (lockcodes.com) to genericode. They offer other invaluable services too.
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by cledry » 22 Jul 2015 18:13
UnlockingBoredom wrote:Checked out prices for the cutters I will need for this machine.... Wow, I will spend more money on the 4 cutters (CW-14MC, CW-90MC, CW-1011 and CW-1012) then I have spent on all 4 cutting machines I own... Micrometric, Rytan (RY100), HPC Blitz and HPC Scotsman. I call the scotsman Sparky... I think the motor could use a little work I guess I really only need the 14MC, 1011 and 1012 right now... I dont think I will be cutting any Medeco keys.... that brings it down to around 300.00
I would buy the 90MC and the 1011. You can use the 90 in place of the 14MC without issues. If you aren't cutting Medeco then you won't need the 1012.
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by cledry » 22 Jul 2015 18:16
UnlockingBoredom wrote:Jim, Thank you for the information on checking the fine adjustment... I took a #9 pin (looked steel) and put it into the top of the plug that I put my #5 D&S key and tapped it. I got lucky on my first go!!! the pin made its mark perfectly centered in the "bed" (dont know what to call it) I cut another key to make sure that my depth was the same over the entire 5 cuts. They turned out perfect as well. The only thing wrong with the machine (other then being 34 years old) is the 12v motor is a little noisy (but very tolerable) so I will keep it like it is and maybe at some point down the road I will switch it out for the 110v
Sounds good. 5 of our HPC machines are dual voltage the other 3 are 110, but I have a couple of 12 volt motors too. All our vehicles are running 110.
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by UnlockingBoredom » 22 Jul 2015 20:17
bfairbank wrote:Wow you did an amazing job restoring your blitz! It looks great!!
I have the same machine and have used it for years. It has just started acting up on me this week. I have a calibration kit and have recalibrated mine several times. Problem I have is once it is exact with the calibration tools once I put the 1011 cutter back on and try cutting an automotive key, depth and spacing are wrong. I've called HPC and can send it in for repairs (they are just as confused about it as I am) but I will be without it for at least 2 months. I have a pak-a-punch but limited vices for automotive. I can't afford to be without my machine for several months. Any ideas on how to fix it myself? I have already verified I was using the correct card, cutter, jaw and tip stops so it has to be something with the gears or something else. It makes no sense to me to show fully calibrated with calibration card, key and slot but then not cut keys correctly.
As for code cards, I have the original HPC cards but I also print out extra ones or ones I don't have. I subscribe to lockcodes.com, the annual fee is very reasonable and allows you to look up codes even on the go. You can print any needed cards onto cardstock and laminate them. I prefer codes on line (lockcodes.com) to genericode. They offer other invaluable services too.
bfairbank, I would love to assist you but I am not a locksmith so playing with mine is not a big deal... giving advice to someone who is and it is a very expensive machine would not be good as you could really mess it up it your not careful. I dont know why it wouldnt be calibrated properly after using the calibration kit.. well if you had a worn cutter then it would just cut high but that does not account for the spacing issue. When you take off the cutting wheel does the shaft for the motor move back and forth? That is the only reason I could think of if everything else was calibrated, other then something is getting in the way of the cutter seating all the way on the shaft. Any more information you can give? how is it out of adjustment after putting the 1011 back on? spacing to far left, right, depths to shallow or to deep?
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by UnlockingBoredom » 22 Jul 2015 20:34
Jim, LOL I was supposed to put the 90MC instead of the 1012 since I wont be cutting Medeco..
Good advice again on just using the 90MC, I just looked up the specs and it looks like the only real difference is the 90degree instead of the 100degree.
Anyone on here try the RAISE cutters? they are real cheap in price but are they cheap in design and materials? Prices are: 90MC = 65.00 14MC = 52.13 1011 = 39.16
Prices are very good
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by cledry » 25 Jul 2015 14:33
Check eBay for genuine HPC cutters. I see them all the time.
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by UnlockingBoredom » 25 Jul 2015 16:56
I was checking eBay daily but since my car failed smog and I need it to get to Oregon, I have to wait unfortunately 
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by UnlockingBoredom » 11 Jul 2016 21:28
Well, as you all know I made it up here to Oregon... I saved all my change in a jar for a while and was able to purchase the RAISE 14MC, 90MC and the 1011 cutters... They just got here today and I put on the 1011 and had to re-calibrate the machine. After learning how to without the calibration tool it was a breeze. I just cut some keys to replace the copies of the keys I impression'd the locks with and they all open flawlessly.
My only issue with the code machine is its a 12 volt and all I have to run it is a motorcycle battery but I keep the battery charger on it all the time while running it. Wish it was a 110v but hey it works perfectly now and I only spent a couple hundred on all 3 machines..
I still need to have the cutter on the Rytan sharpened but that will have to wait for now. It cuts but is a bit slower then it should be because of being dull.
The Scottsman turned out to be a code cutter as well, now I have to look for that little tail piece that goes on the end to set it to each cut. cant find those anywhere yet. The motor is working pretty good on it now and its not too noisy since I ran it for a while...
Now I have to sell the locks I have accumulated and start on others.
I want to thank everyone who helped out getting these things going and calibrated!!!
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