dm567 wrote:OK thanks
I'll post a picture of the key hole when I get home.
BTW is there any reason to change the whole lock on this safe to a group 1 and even a 1r? Do people really have their safes broken into in their home by people capable of manipulation. One of my safes was actually broken into but they used a diamond blade and cut a 12x12 hole in the back of it rather than mess with the combination lock. It a TL15 safe. I welded the piece they cut out back in and its still in use.
Dom
Sounds like people already know you have nice safes and valuables. Invest in a monitored alarm system from alarm.com (they have authorized local installers) with land line and GSM cellular backup, and go to Coscto and get some CCTV cameras with a DVR locked in a secure cabinet so the hard drives don't get taken during a break in.
If this safe is at your home, watch out who knows that you have a TL-15 safe or all those guns or whatever you keep in it. Sounds like some bad actors already know about your home, floorplan, and your schedule.
If a government agency like the CIA is trying to get into your safe then yeah, a Kaba Mas X09 digital safe lock would be a good idea, but on a home gun safe, buying an S&G 8500 Group 1 is just a waste of $250 dollars. Group 1R is xray proof, most hoodlums dont carry around portable xray machines. Otherwise keep the safe lock you have, but you may want to have a local SAVTA safe technician (not just a random locksmith who also works on safes once in a while) check your safe to make sure it has a relocker, and if not, have them add one in. This way if someone tries to punch the safe lock via the dial spindle, at least the safe will lock up tight and they wont get far. I wouldn't worry about manipulation unless you have an easy to try out combination such as 10-20-30 or 25-50-75 or the safe is left unattended for days and weeks at a time. An alarm would help that.
Good luck,
Squelchtone