Darn Defiant Deadbolts

[emule]

Does anyone know where to get spec info on Defiant labeled deadbolts? I can't to seem to find any. They're like ghost locks.

Maybe made in Canada.

I need to know the security levels availible.

Thanks many times.

[Chris B]

[emule]

I did have the opportunity to search the kwiklocks.com site before posting. The other link you provided wasn't as overwhelmingly helpful as i (or any lock hound) would hope, but I know more now than I did before your charity, and that's what eForums are all about.

Sadly still seeking info though. These locks seem to be several levels above Kwikset, but also seem to be linked with them, as you have suggested. I have actually never successfully picked one. Keep in mind, of course that I have only tried to get them open while they were on doors of my friends etc... Locks with names I'm unfamilar with always catch my eye. So I tried quick rake attempts while a one night stand seached drunkingly for her keys, etc. I've also tried bouncing & scrubing both with feeler pick and my favorite half diamonds. I know that any picker could open any pin-tumbler if given the time, a comforatable chair and a bright light, but I was amazed at how well the Defiant label held up to my favorite quick attacks! My scub & bounce technique opens most locks most of the time, in less than 5 minutes. Even mushroom and spooled plugs.

These locks don't seem fit enough to put up as much resistance as they actually do. *note I've tried the above techniques on like five of them with NO success!! (I've been an avid picker for over a decade. I pick a few hours EVERY day.)

Couple this with the lack of availible info (including pictures) and I'm semi-obsessed. You know, 70% of even the most tightly warded yale (and mortise unbranded) locks surcum to my scrub & bounce in a few minutes. I almost never have to pick a door mounted lock pin-by-pin. (Of course I always do, that's what it's about. It just sucks to have to. It's nice to be able to solve a puzzle quickly as well as thoughtfully. So I'd like to find the 'key' to these things. I'd buy one, but I find that it's more chalanging to work the locks that have already conconcured me without too much inside info, no pun intended. But maybe thats what I'm going to end up doing. Then the mystery will be over and I'll be back to ABUS.)
(Scream if you hate abus. Go ahead, scream.)

Well, enough of my ranting. Just thought that it was a puzzle others might like to partake in. *note Defiant is actually cheaper in price than Kwikset!

[Hak]

Then the mystery will be over and I'll be back to ABUS.)
(Scream if you hate abus. Go ahead, scream.)

Heh, actually i like ABUS. They are one of my favorite brands to play with. They're moderately difficult and provide a good opportunity to mess with security pins.

[frostbyte]

A post that speaks of how easy the poster's Defiant was.
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=843

A cutaway of a defiant lock.
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=2867

Talking about how poor quality they are:
http://forum.doityourself.com/archive/index.php/t-151545.html

This one seems to say Defiant is a Home Depot "brand".
http://www.homedepotsucks.com/news/packaging.htm

They apparently have a Kwikset keyway.
http://www.kwiklocks.com/Abus/kwikset_housekey_padlocks.html

[emule]

Moderate security?

You must be picking relatively new ABUS on the sofa (they pop open like master locks). Try picking one that's been in the weather a few years, while you're out in the weather with it. Try picking one on the workbench then use it to lock yourself out of your house without your keys (but with your picks) then try picking it open before your neighbors start filing over to see what your up to. Try picking even a medium security lock on a friends door while they stand impatiently behind you with the key.

Real world experience WILL change your opinon about the level of security offered by ABUS.

The older and gummier the lock the better. 7 year old out door locks still in the doors are a B**** to open. And of course having an insistant time limit (as with the friend) can make a 30 second lock take ten minutes to pop.

Also, try picking these overly used locks 'dry' (no graphite or canned air or scopes, just down and dirty picking.)

If ABUS is only moderate security for you then you should pick up the pace with a more chalanging situation surrounding your pick sessions, because it don't really get much more tough than that without spending a lot of $$ for locks.

There are some really funky Euro and Jap. locks that will keep you on your toes as well, but they cost $$. In general I try to buy my locks from locksmiths --the old gummy ones that have been in a box in a corner since god knows when -- they sell for scrape weight and are a real treat to pick dry.

PS Maybe get a hold of a 'real' ABUS or ABloy from over seas. They generaly have more heavily warded keyways and are a great deal more challanging. (if you can pick an Abloy in real world conditions in however long your the F****** man! Or woman as the case maybe.)