Swap this lock out for an automatic one possible?

[oceanic]

Hello

Anyone know if this is possible.

I have two deadbolt locks on my door. Both require use of keys to lock the door. I'd like to replace one of them, so that the door can be locked automatically by simply shutting the door. Instead of having to turn the key every time i leave for 2 seconds.

i'd like to directly replace the lock if possible, instead of drilling the door. As the door has a metal covering and the door frame too also. So drilling would mean ruinign the door quite a bit. And since it is a rented property rather not do that, as i've been told door is worth a few thousand pounds.

Anyone know if this is possible and which lock I need to buy?

[kwoswalt99-]

You don't have a knob or lever or some type of latch on there? It's unusual to not have one on a high traffic door.
You mean a deadbolt like this right?

Are you in the UK? Because, if you are, a picture of what you have would be helpful.

[billdeserthills]

Likely if you have a standard tubular deadbolt, all you really need to do is replace the latch with a schlage e series type deadlatch.
It is built like a knob latch and will automatically latch shut when the door is closed. You need to know the backset of your deadbolt
to get the right latch. The backset is the measurement from the door edge to center of the keyhole, in inches. There are two choices
a 2 3/8" and a 2 3/4" backset.

[oceanic]

You don't have a knob or lever or some type of latch on there? It's unusual to not have one on a high traffic door.
You mean a deadbolt like this right?

Are you in the UK? Because, if you are, a picture of what you have would be helpful.

yes very much like what you have shown.



That's the only image i have of it. Will try and take more next time.

The 3 bolts come out and enter the wooden door frame.

What i was hoping was to unscrew the lock and take it out and replace it with another one that automatically locks of same size. if that is possible.

[oceanic]

Likely if you have a standard tubular deadbolt, all you really need to do is replace the latch with a schlage e series type deadlatch.
It is built like a knob latch and will automatically latch shut when the door is closed. You need to know the backset of your deadbolt
to get the right latch. The backset is the measurement from the door edge to center of the keyhole, in inches. There are two choices
a 2 3/8" and a 2 3/4" backset.

sorry i'm not that familiar with the technical terms. Any chance you could provide a web link or explain it in laymens terms?

[Squelchtone]

are you in Poland? that lock brand is Polish. I see your IP is from London area though.

door hardware can be very specific to the country, so Poland may be different than Sweden, than France, than UK, than Italy, than USA.

Gerda should make a replacement lock body where you have several bolts, and 1 spring loaded latch to shut the door without using a key every time. Or you can get an ERA or other brand that has the same dimensions AND hole locations for the lock cylinder AND handle AND would fit into the slot cut into the door.

Squelchtone

EDIT: look for model Chateau Mortise Gerda Titan ZW 1000 as an example of lock like yours that also has a spring loaded latch for shutting the door but not locking it.
http://www.zamki.com.ua/eng/korpusa_zam ... _1000.html

the lock you have looks like the Gerda 550, which is shorter than the ZW 1000, so the 1000 may not fit in the hole in the door.
http://www.zamki.com.ua/eng/korpusa_zam ... w_550.html

[oceanic]

are you in Poland? that lock brand is Polish. I see your IP is from London area though.

door hardware can be very specific to the country, so Poland may be different than Sweden, than France, than UK, than Italy, than USA.

Gerda should make a replacement lock body where you have several bolts, and 1 spring loaded latch to shut the door without using a key every time. Or you can get an ERA or other brand that has the same dimensions AND hole locations for the lock cylinder AND handle AND would fit into the slot cut into the door.

Squelchtone

EDIT: look for model Chateau Mortise Gerda Titan ZW 1000 as an example of lock like yours that also has a spring loaded latch for shutting the door but not locking it.
http://www.zamki.com.ua/eng/korpusa_zam ... _1000.html

I'm Uk london.

yes, something like you are saying would be perfect. i will look into the ones you have suggested. Same dimensions would be better so easier to replace if landord wants it changed back. As well as to install.

[oceanic]

definitly not the 1000. The gerda 550 looks exactly the same.

[oceanic]

thanks. have contacted the manufacturers you listed. Hopefully they have something that is compatible.

The ones seen so far, don't seem suitable from what i can see.

if anyone has any suggestions for a lock that would fit, please do.

[billdeserthills]

Likely if you have a standard tubular deadbolt, all you really need to do is replace the latch with a schlage e series type deadlatch.
It is built like a knob latch and will automatically latch shut when the door is closed. You need to know the backset of your deadbolt
to get the right latch. The backset is the measurement from the door edge to center of the keyhole, in inches. There are two choices
a 2 3/8" and a 2 3/4" backset.

sorry i'm not that familiar with the technical terms. Any chance you could provide a web link or explain it in laymens terms?

I doubt if any of the parts are available in your country

[Squelchtone]

thanks. have contacted the manufacturers you listed. Hopefully they have something that is compatible.

The ones seen so far, don't seem suitable from what i can see.

if anyone has any suggestions for a lock that would fit, please do.

stop by a local locksmith shop in your city and show them the photo of your lock and ask for a deadbolt which has a latch and knob or handle in addition to the deadbolts. They may have something right on the shelf to sell you but you have to also measure from mounting hole to mounting hole, and if you buy a lock, you will need to drill a hole in the door for the knob or handle. I dont know if your landlord will want more holes in the door.

Squelchtone

[oceanic]

thanks. have contacted the manufacturers you listed. Hopefully they have something that is compatible.

The ones seen so far, don't seem suitable from what i can see.

if anyone has any suggestions for a lock that would fit, please do.

stop by a local locksmith shop in your city and show them the photo of your lock and ask for a deadbolt which has a latch and knob or handle in addition to the deadbolts. They may have something right on the shelf to sell you but you have to also measure from mounting hole to mounting hole, and if you buy a lock, you will need to drill a hole in the door for the knob or handle. I dont know if your landlord will want more holes in the door.

Squelchtone

yeah, he defintitly won't accept more holes in door. Said i can replace the lock, but not do anythign to the door.

So was hoping for a straight swap with a spring loaded lock.

[Squelchtone]

thanks. have contacted the manufacturers you listed. Hopefully they have something that is compatible.

The ones seen so far, don't seem suitable from what i can see.

if anyone has any suggestions for a lock that would fit, please do.

stop by a local locksmith shop in your city and show them the photo of your lock and ask for a deadbolt which has a latch and knob or handle in addition to the deadbolts. They may have something right on the shelf to sell you but you have to also measure from mounting hole to mounting hole, and if you buy a lock, you will need to drill a hole in the door for the knob or handle. I dont know if your landlord will want more holes in the door.

Squelchtone

yeah, he defintitly won't accept more holes in door. Said i can replace the lock, but not do anythign to the door.

So was hoping for a straight swap with a spring loaded lock.

it is possible to get, but to get back inside you would need to insert your key and turn it and retract the latch, push the door open and remove the key and the latch would come back out, to get out of the house, you would turn the thumb turn to retract the latch, pull the door open, and then just shut the door and it would be shut and in effect locked, but not deadbolted. I do believe they have such locks, it will just take some effort to find one with this "function" as it is called here in the states, and the proper size lock case, mounting screw locations and the round metal tabs the screws go into, and distance from edge of door to center of the profile cylinder.

good luck, perhaps in a day or so one of our UK members who is a lockie will chime in and help you with a specific brand and model and place you may purchase one.

I'm just a hobbyist.
Squelchtone

[oceanic]

it is possible to get, but to get back inside you would need to insert your key and turn it and retract the latch, push the door open and remove the key and the latch would come back out, to get out of the house, you would turn the thumb turn to retract the latch, pull the door open, and then just shut the door and it would be shut and in effect locked, but not deadbolted. I do believe they have such locks, it will just take some effort to find one with this "function" as it is called here in the states, and the proper size lock case, mounting screw locations and the round metal tabs the screws go into, and distance from edge of door to center of the profile cylinder.

good luck, perhaps in a day or so one of our UK members who is a lockie will chime in and help you with a specific brand and model and place you may purchase one.

I'm just a hobbyist.
Squelchtone

Yeah, thats exactly what i want.

As the door has two deadbolt locks. Locking 1 will still be enough when i leave for longer than 2 minutes, as the bottom deadbolt is quite strong.

hopefully someone from uk can direct me to one that is compatible.

[dll932]

How about one of these? They come in double cylinder (B252) as well.

http://www.amazon.com/Schlage-B250PD-62 ... B00GFI7XDI