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a new lock

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a new lock

Postby Benroy44 » 8 Nov 2004 20:08

I just found out from a good source that a major lock manufacture is going to come out with a new lock that can repin it self.
As i understand it you get 7 keys with the lock 6 to open it and 1 to change it. If you misplace a key or it gets lost you order a new set of keys (they can't be coppyed) you insert the original control key and turn the lock to the set position remove the key and put in the new control key turn the plug back to the locked position and remove the key it is now set for the new key.
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Re: a new lock

Postby logosys » 8 Nov 2004 20:41

Benroy44 wrote:I just found out from a good source that a major lock manufacture is going to come out with a new lock that can repin it self.
As i understand it you get 7 keys with the lock 6 to open it and 1 to change it. If you misplace a key or it gets lost you order a new set of keys (they can't be coppyed) you insert the original control key and turn the lock to the set position remove the key and put in the new control key turn the plug back to the locked position and remove the key it is now set for the new key.
Cya Duane


Interesting idea, but I'm not sure how the internals would work... There would have to be slipholes in the 90* position... but even that wouldn't work... There would have to be a way that the pins would change once it got to that position. I don't see how it's possible, but I'd be very interested to hear...
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Postby 32768 » 8 Nov 2004 21:12

I've seen DOM padlocks that do this. You get two sets of operating keys and a special key. The first set operates it until you use the special key (and turn it twice, if i recall correctly). Then, the first set no longer works and it's rekeyed for the second.
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Postby WhiteHat » 8 Nov 2004 21:57

although I don't know what type or even the jargon, you can get locks that work for a particular key that is given to a contractor building the property. when the owner's key is placed in the lock and turned, it causes some ball bearings to drop into small indentations at arround the 2 or 10 o'clock positions and the contractors key will no longer work. (so the contractor's key only lifts the pins up enough so that the ball bearings stay below the shearline)

this would mean that the owners key would have higher cuts than the contractors key. the only way I can think of the above described lock working is if there was a set of "master key" bearings and holes and using sequential keys would push one or mor bearings out of the way and allow the used key to work. what this would mean is that once you use one key, then go to another key, you wouldn't be able to go back to the first one. to be able to do that, there would have to be some mechanism that would re-insert the master balls/pins/whatever inbetween the drivers and key pins.
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Postby Benroy44 » 8 Nov 2004 22:18

As i understand it this lock witch is a dead bolt can be rekeyed over and over again, my thoughts are when the key is in the change poition there is a stack of pins say .050 ea as you put in the new change key and turn the plug you create a new shere line. some what like a master key
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Postby Buggs41 » 8 Nov 2004 22:42

There is a post on this board somewhere that covers this idea on tubular locks.

If I remember correctly, a control key is used to rotate the lock orientation, thus creating a new user key.

That's all I know.....
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Postby locksmistress » 15 Nov 2004 14:15

The U-Change it has been around for awhile - but that requires a 'tool' in addition to the key...

http://www.securitysolutions-usa.com/uchange.html

I also heard that Mul-T-Lock has a 3 generation self-rekeyable lock. It utilizes a 'lost ball' sort of mechanism.

Do you know which major manufacturer is coming out with it now?
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