suggest security improvements to business owner

[globallockytoo]

Window film, good one. I actually contacted the window film folks to do their treatment on my last house. They said the measurements I took could not possibly be correct,
Thanks window film guys. Ooh let's not forget the security shutters also, yeah I'm gonna make a bunch of money giving my double deadbolt job away to those guys, Won't I?
Of course US Lock sells actual steel window bars, and I have installed them in a couple of places. Unfortunately they become much less affordable if You opt for the bars that
allow You to exit. Apparently safety is an expensive mistress

I'm in the process of having another house built for me right now, I have been thinking about going with the roll-up shutters


Btw My Dr. has killed more people than I have, so mebbe You should get on his @ss, if You are soo against dead folks

You can buy DIY kits from IDN or from GSE direct. They come in rolls that you cut to size yourself. they come with applicators and instructions. Average retail price varies by region, but going rates are usually $60 a square foot installed. Some companies force minimum of 50 square feet per customer....thats $3000 for just one job (might take you all day) but you make some decent scratch on that!

You comply with all codes, provide safety and security simultaneously and make good profit at the same time.

Or do it the wrong way.....your choice.

[globallockytoo]

Here's another (more crude) suggestion.
Install clear PVC shields to the insides of any exposed glass. You can simply purchase the transparent PVC and buy clips at the hardware store to clip to the frame around the glass. Then, even if the widow is smashed, the screen is still secure.

There are many ways to skin a cat, Bill.

Sometimes a true professional is a true problem solver. Part of being a locksmith involves how to think, how to design solutions that benefit the customer, while maintaining and adhering to codes etc.

\What are you Bill? A professional or a trunk slammer. I thought you were a professional.

[billdeserthills]

The difference is on YOUR home, on YOUR business you put them. Not on the home or business of a customer. Around here, homes are allowed double cylinder deadbolts, we recommend against them but will put them on if the customer requests. We never put them on mobile homes though! Businesses are not allowed double cylinder locks if the door has an exit sign. Multi-unit residential is a grey area sometimes.

We had a customer this week with a yoga studio want to replace the hookbolt with a push paddle and latch lock. We refused the job and told them that building usage and loading exceeded what a push paddle would permit. He thought about it and tomorrow we are installing an Adams Rite push bar and electric strike. We possible could have lost the job but in this case the customer actually thanked us for knowing the law and will likely use us again.

Believe it or not, rules often have a logical reason. Not everything is the big bad government wanting to infringe on your rights and your business.

Let me name one rule that is excessively stupid,
In california all knob locks (& levers) must Always be unlocked on the inside, even when locked on the outside
Now Maybe where You work the state pays Your wages, but where I work my customer pays my wages. So, I like to let the client know
that in case of fire, they might have a problem getting out of the front door, without a key, & see where that goes, if the client says, "hmmm
yes, I see, I guess we would rather have thieves breaking through the window and just letting themselves in through the door, after all." Then
I figure, enough said, however when my client asks me "what would You do?" I explain exactly why I put that double deadbolt upon My door and
then I show them where I like to hide an extra key. Then I do my best to "Shut Up & take the money" just like dear old Dad used to tell me.

I happen to think the alternative is excessively stupid.

Why would you assume the state pays my wages? You baffle me at times with your off the cuff comments. There are so many customers calling that I can pick and choose. I pick those who follow my advice and let bottom feeders have the ones who choose to ignore the safety of themselves, their employees and their customers. Life safety for me is not a compromise. If they want to go cheap on a lock, for example grade 2 instead of grade 1 then that is fine. If they want Chinese import instead of American made, that is fine. If they want a double cylinder deadbolt when a panic bar is required that is not fine.

On commercial property I do follow the fire code, don't get all crazy Man

[billdeserthills]

Here's another (more crude) suggestion.
Install clear PVC shields to the insides of any exposed glass. You can simply purchase the transparent PVC and buy clips at the hardware store to clip to the frame around the glass. Then, even if the widow is smashed, the screen is still secure.

There are many ways to skin a cat, Bill.

Sometimes a true professional is a true problem solver. Part of being a locksmith involves how to think, how to design solutions that benefit the customer, while maintaining and adhering to codes etc.

\What are you Bill? A professional or a trunk slammer. I thought you were a professional.

Mostly depends on the day, some days I feel better equipped than others
Anyhow I don't skin cats, I leave that to the cat skinners

[cledry]

Bill, in our state residential single unit is more open to interpretation. So in the rare case I go on a residential install I do as you do. Offer advice and if they take it fine, if not take their money. I don't bend on trailer homes though, my policy is no double cylinders on trailers. I once went out and an older gentleman wanted me to install padlocks and hasps to the exterior of his trailer!!!

[CMS_SAFECRAKR1]

I suggest Restricted key systems like Keymark or Peaks because price isn't hateful, Arrow Revolution leversets for cheap, customer friendly access control, and as others have mentioned, Window Armor film to keep people from just smashing windows and doors. Very easy to learn to install. A business likes to know you are thinking about costs to them when you suggest products and i always refer these products in comparison to much more expensive products that serve the same purpose. Stuff sells itself and you still make your markup.

[dll932]

Then it would come down to your personal judgement about occupant safety vs. security. If nothing else, have them sign a statement on the invoice saying they could be a potential hazard in case of emergency exit, and to put a key near the door.

Do you really want your name on a piece of paper saying you knew you were violating building coding being presented at an inquest being held because some children burned to death.

I wouldn't want to live with your conscience.

The judgement would have to be based on knowledge of code, of course. In some situations there are gray areas. Warning statements may be enough to make a customer choose something else if you tell him "I'll do it if you sign this."

[DangerDane]

Not in america, but Denmark and here double deadbolts, or 2 locks on your door is not recommended, but its still allowed. That however comes with the recommendation that only the lock with the thumb-turn is actually locked at night, or when there is people in the house, while locking both locks when you leave the house and no one is at home. That is a both of both worlds I would think.

But whether that compromise is actually allowed across the pond I don't know. But would be a compromise between the 2 worlds I would think

[stratmando]

[quote="victorylocksmith"]In that case then somebody done a bad thing[/quote]

Maybe somebody is an idiot like me. I file down cylinders to fit the pins I have, even if they are not the right pins[/quote]

Do you mean file the pins to fit the cylinder?

[stratmando]

I am a Security/Electrical Contractor/Integrator Troubleshooter. When I work at Condos or Homes with Access Control, Security Systems, They Appreciate the fact that If They can't find the Keys, I tell them I will Unlock it, Repair it, Relock it. I don't have to wait(and they don't wan't to pay for my time to wait). Can Pick Most of these type locks out there. Or Have Keys from over many Years.
Sometimes I show them Vulnerability of their Physical Locks, And Sell Them Electronic Security.
Sounds like you have enough work. Let them know you Auto Lockouts, That may get you into other Lock work?
When Bluetooth relays came out, I would install in car to unlock door, so if your Daughter? Locks herself out of her car, she can open with the phone. Not leaving her in a Bad area, in the middle of the night, Stuff Happens. They may lock Keys in Car, But not Phone, It will not detach from Hand or Ear?