Chubbsafes Trident

[LocksportSouth]

I'm a big fan of Chubb safes (I like the company, I remember their old locks from when I was a kid, and there aren't a lot of other options in the UK for high security safes. Burton and Phoenix, mostly). I'm currently using a small (Chubb Air) safe which is currently housing my padlocks and picks, and a higher security, low-grade Chubb Eurograde safe (Not going into any more details as I use it day to day for valuables and documents!) as well.

I'm planning on saving up soon for a new safe - it'll need to be quite a bit larger and higher grade. Probably Eurograde 4 or 5.
Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of choices for brands at this level, and not a lot of proper safe shops in the UK (I understand the US market is spoilt for choice!).

Naturally, I'm leaning towards Chubbsafes - probably a Trident. Unfortunately, there is very little information out there on the web about these - what kind of locks/keys they use, what kind of protection they have (relockers? Glass plates? anti-drill layers? More stuff?).

It all seems a bit hush-hush - security through obscurity. If it's not breaking any forum rules (I know safe PICKING is a restricted topic), or any kind of legality, and if anyone has working knowledge of the Chubbsafes Trident range, I'd love more information on the inner workings of these - protection features and the like. Would make me a bit more confident about purchase . I'll likely find a bricks-and-mortar safe shop in the UK anyway and visit to discuss this stuff when I'm ready to buy, but it'd be cool to hear more about that now - if that's allowed!

[CMS_SAFECRAKR1]

Not to reveal much but from the few trident models I have serviced here in the states they have various defences depending on exact model and options. Seen then with as little as glass and cross locking relockers, to models with additional hardplate, drill bit deflectors, thermal relockers and special composite mixtures to resist torch and explosives. This doesn't even bring into play the various lever locks and group 1 locks used to lock them. Oh yeah and time locks.

I had to open one once after a really bad burglary job over a holiday. Took me two days to drill and open both locks and take care of the various relockers set off.

[LocksportSouth]

Not to reveal much but from the few trident models I have serviced here in the states they have various defences depending on exact model and options. Seen then with as little as glass and cross locking relockers, to models with additional hardplate, drill bit deflectors, thermal relockers and special composite mixtures to resist torch and explosives. This doesn't even bring into play the various lever locks and group 1 locks used to lock them. Oh yeah and time locks.

I had to open one once after a really bad burglary job over a holiday. Took me two days to drill and open both locks and take care of the various relockers set off.

Thanks for the info . Good to hear that they aren't bog-standard crap - not that I'd expect that for the price and Euro rating! Though as I say the official site and resellers don't give anything away. Sounds like the exact specs will depend on the exact model - do you think the salesperson at the safe shop will be able and willing to give the specific info when I go to buy one? If they even have access to that kind of info.

I'm hoping they can give more info on the exact locks in use and what options there are in terms of the locks, too. Most reseller sites are worryingly sparse, with simple statements like "High security key lock" and lock options with stuff like "Key and mechanical dial" or "key and digital lock" - wow, helpful -_-

Edit: Found this on one of the official product PDFs. Not much but better than nothing!

QUALITY FEATURES:
Burglary protection
Tested and certified by ECB•S to the European standard EN 1143-1.
Fire protection

Trident offers 60 minutes fire protection for documents.
Tested and certified by SP to NT Fire 017-60P.
Explosives protection

Tested and certified by ECB•S to the European standard EN 1143-1.
In addition to the standard physical EN 1143-1 certification, the
new Trident range has the additional EX accreditation. This means
the safe is tested for resistance against explosives.
Manufacture

Manufactured to an ISO 9002 accredited quality assured process.
Locking

Grades IV-V are supplied with two key locking EN 1300 Grade B locks
fitted as standard. For grade VI, two key locking EN 1300 Grade C
locks are fitted as standard. As an option for all grades, a third lock
can be fitted upon special request. Keylocks are solid keys. Loose
bitted keys are supplied at an extra cost.
Construction

Constructed from jointless barrier materials encapsulated in an
outer and inner steel body for greater protection against attack.
Differing security levels are achieved within the Trident range by
the use of increasingly resilient barrier materials. The doors are
constructed using the same barrier materials together with the
inclusion of additional protection over the locking areas.
Boltwork

Four way engagement with 32mm moving bolts extending from
3 sides of the door that secure the door effectively into the body.
With up to 8 bolts, the 3 way moving boltwork provides effective
defence against attacks. Specific anti-explosive devices protect the
boltwork against explosion break-in.

[safecracker33]

I suspect you are both talking about different safes, chubb/gunnebo have a nasty habit of renaming new model safes with old already used names, the original trident safe was an isolator model and not euro graded, probably the one that the American gentleman has seen / worked on. the new current production trident is the euro grade 4/5/6 range and is a totally different safe, with regard to locking on the moder unit the keylocks would normally be 11 lever mauers, but being standard footprint could be fitted with anything modern although it should probably be class two locks.
if it were my stuff going in there I would prefer the older isolator trident to the new one, unless you need the euro grading.

[LocksportSouth]

I suspect you are both talking about different safes, chubb/gunnebo have a nasty habit of renaming new model safes with old already used names, the original trident safe was an isolator model and not euro graded, probably the one that the American gentleman has seen / worked on. the new current production trident is the euro grade 4/5/6 range and is a totally different safe, with regard to locking on the moder unit the keylocks would normally be 11 lever mauers, but being standard footprint could be fitted with anything modern although it should probably be class two locks.
if it were my stuff going in there I would prefer the older isolator trident to the new one, unless you need the euro grading.

Thanks for the addition! That's slightly annoying. Yeah, the ones I was looking at are UK based, and I do believe that they have Mauer key locks as I spoke to a representative and I believe that's what he told me (I was asking if they could replace the keylock with a Fichet, sadly they cannot, heh). Here's an example of a grade 6 Trident on the site that I like to use.

As it happens I did actually buy a new safe recently to not replace but work in tandem with a lower-end Eurograde 0 that I have. Sadly I didn't get the safe linked above (although I'd love to, one day!) due to cost but opted for a respectable grade 2 - sufficient for my needs .

If I do ever get a nice Trident though, I owe it to myself to disassembly the locking system... Assuming it won't all fly out at me as soon as I remove the cover, heh! I think that usually removing the cover voids the warranty so that's a scary concept.

[safecracker33]

the 456 range that in chubb form is called the trident, is also available in rosengrens and fichet form, although probably not from a uk supplier. so in fact the fichet version comes with mxb keylocks fitted and the rosengrens one used to have rkl10 locks, but not sure if they still use that lock, bearing in mind that these safes are prepped for four possible standard footprint lock positions, then you could convert them to whatever locking you wanted if you can not get the fichet version.