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Help identifying 2 keys please

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Help identifying 2 keys please

Postby RyanS45 » 12 Dec 2015 19:27

Hi,

I'm an amateur with a long time interest & fascination with locks and how they work.

I was given an old set of keys which seem a bit out of the ordinary to me and am having some trouble identifying what they might have been used for... can anyone help?

The one on the left. At first this looks like a ultra cheap made in China padlock key, but when I cleaned it up I see it says "British Made" and "Pat no 840994". I googled this and found the patent belongs to BG Padlocks http://www.bgpadlocks.co.uk who seem to make good quality padlocks. The key has "D7" stamped on the other side. This one confuses me because this simple key is not something I would expect a decent lock manufacturer to sell, looks more like the key would be for a fire alarm panel or similar... anyone any ideas?

The one on the right just has "Webster" and a W logo on the other side. I googled for webster locks but can't find anything? However if i search for webster key blank I see a few manufacturers supply these. The key looks to me like a Yale equivalent but I'm wondering why I can't find much about this manufacturer online?

I'm in the UK.

Thanks!
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Re: Help identifying 2 keys please

Postby GWiens2001 » 12 Dec 2015 20:19

The one on the left is a warded lock, made with a stamped steel key.

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Re: Help identifying 2 keys please

Postby billdeserthills » 13 Dec 2015 5:37

The one on the right looks like a yale key, at least the millings resemble one
You could maybe use an SC-22 warded A shape schlage key blank to make the left key
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Re: Help identifying 2 keys please

Postby zeke79 » 18 Dec 2015 1:00

billdeserthills wrote:The one on the right looks like a yale key, at least the millings resemble one
You could maybe use an SC-22 warded A shape schlage key blank to make the left key



I know it's been a bit but I agree with bill here!
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Re: Help identifying 2 keys please

Postby peterwn » 20 Dec 2015 4:28

GWiens2001 wrote:The one on the left is a warded lock, made with a stamped steel key.

Gordon

Some electricity companies in UK (and New Zealand etc) used such padlocks for locking high voltage etc switchgear that was indoors or inside an enclosure to prevent accidental operation. There were no particular security or strength requirements (the gate padlock providing this - Yale 851 or similar cast bronze padlocks were often used for this). They would generally be keyed like. It the switch was subject to a safety permit the padlock would be temporarily replaced by a lock-out padlock.
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Re: Help identifying 2 keys please

Postby cledry » 20 Dec 2015 7:08

peterwn wrote:
GWiens2001 wrote:The one on the left is a warded lock, made with a stamped steel key.

Gordon

Some electricity companies in UK (and New Zealand etc) used such padlocks for locking high voltage etc switchgear that was indoors or inside an enclosure to prevent accidental operation. There were no particular security or strength requirements (the gate padlock providing this - Yale 851 or similar cast bronze padlocks were often used for this). They would generally be keyed like. It the switch was subject to a safety permit the padlock would be temporarily replaced by a lock-out padlock.


That sounds plausible, like the Sterling locks found in the US. This lock might also be found in a marine environment where security isn't as important as working no matter the weather.

Search for Keden brand padlocks. They are now Chinese but used to be British made. I think your key is for one of their old locks.
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