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Difficulty Picking a Double Cylinder Dead Bolt

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Difficulty Picking a Double Cylinder Dead Bolt

Postby lockpicknoob9265 » 1 Jan 2016 8:34

I recently began practicing picking kwikset deadbolt locks on my back and front doors in my home. I am a huge beginner by the way, I just bought myself a 5 piece pick set less than a week ago.

The front door was easy, it is a one sided style. Now my backdoor one is same brand but it is a two sided style with two keyed cylinders. This lock is giving me lots of trouble as I have yet to pick it. My question is, does the style of this lock make it harder to pick? And is it possible it has spool pins or some type of pin that makes it more pick resistant than my front door one? It has two screws on the outside of each cylinder which most of the kwiksets I have seen don't, I just thought I'd mention that in case its an indication of the type of lock it is. Thanks!
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Re: Difficulty Picking a Double Cylinder Dead Bolt

Postby Sinifar » 1 Jan 2016 10:20

First, as it has been posted here before, NEVER pick or work on locks which are in use, like on your home, unless you are qualified to service them.

Double cylinder locks are no different than any other, just now it has two cylinders which work independently of each other. Not knowing the exact model of lock, it could have spool pins in it. Most Schlage Bxxx series do have spool pins in them. Kwikset may have some if it is a Titan. Be careful with this thing for if it is Titan it will come apart at the funniest time as the pin locking the cylinder into the housing finds its place and drops in and the two come apart.

Most other Kwikset locks do not have spool pins in them. Unless somebody like me put them in there.

Hope it helps ...

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Re: Difficulty Picking a Double Cylinder Dead Bolt

Postby lockpicknoob9265 » 1 Jan 2016 11:33

Thanks for answering. I'll have to do some more research to find out if its a Titan or not. The biggest thing visually that seems to set this lock apart though from other deadbolt kwiksets is the two screws. I have not seen that on any deadbolts in stores or on the web. Is this not an indicator of the type of lock?
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Re: Difficulty Picking a Double Cylinder Dead Bolt

Postby Squelchtone » 1 Jan 2016 13:09

lockpicknoob9265 wrote:Thanks for answering. I'll have to do some more research to find out if its a Titan or not. The biggest thing visually that seems to set this lock apart though from other deadbolt kwiksets is the two screws. I have not seen that on any deadbolts in stores or on the web. Is this not an indicator of the type of lock?


a picture would tell us a lot more, upload one to imgur.com and post it here.

As already mentioned, try to resist picking your own locks as sometimes things can go wrong and then you either can't get out, can't lock up for the night, or can't back inside when you come home. Visit a local Home Depot or Walmart and buy a $12 dollar deadbolt, take that apart and learn how lock cylinders work, then practice picking on that lock, it's a safer bet than crouching at your front door.

Also, is it your own house, or a rental, or an apartment or your parents house? We've had people here before who rent, and say "but it's my apartment, it's my lock" where the reality is that it is the landlord's lock and even though the landlord gave someone a key, they would never think someone was sticking picks into the locks. It's a great way to lose a security deposit if something goes wrong and you have to call the landlord or maintenance guy to fix it and explain what happened. If it's your own house, then what I already wrote above applies, pick at your own risk, but don't expect much sympathy if something gets broken, just a lot of 'i told you so's' fair enough?

we'll wait for your pics
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Re: Difficulty Picking a Double Cylinder Dead Bolt

Postby lockpicknoob9265 » 1 Jan 2016 16:11

lol all is very true thanks for the advice. The house is rented but I've lived here for over 15 years and have paid for the doors/locks and many other things most tenants wouldn't have, kind of a trade off as the rent is extremely cheap for the area. I just couldn't resist trying out my pick set! As for the picture I don't think its necessary at this point because I just took the whole lock apart to find out if they're were any kind of special pins, lo and behold there isn't! I guess I just suck. I've picked my front door lock over 10 times in under 2.5 minutes but for some reason this back door one although same style and brand just is much more difficult.

I did notice that the plug of the one I am having difficulty with has two sets of pin holes. I thought maybe after picking all the bottom pins the top/driver pins would end up catching on the second set of pin holes but they are about 22.5 degrees away from the pin holes which are being used and I haven't even been able to get the lock to rotate that much while picking so I don't think that is the problem. I'll just keep trying.
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