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Able to insert one locking pole: lock shimable?

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Able to insert one locking pole: lock shimable?

Postby pillar » 1 Jan 2016 15:05

Regarding the Burg Wächter Diamant D600/40:
Because of its tight tolerances no shims can be inserted.
But when the lock is open I can press one of the locking poles in, even when there is no key inserted.

Does being able to insert one locking pole into the lock mean, the lock is shimable due to its technology?
Even though the shims cannot be inserted.
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Re: Able to insert one locking pole: lock shimable?

Postby GWiens2001 » 1 Jan 2016 15:54

Those are called locking dogs. That said, shimming is a form of bypass, and reserved for advanced forums. This is to make sure we are not teaching kids to break into locks.

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Re: Able to insert one locking pole: lock shimable?

Postby LocksportSouth » 1 Jan 2016 20:39

(hopefully not contravening Advanced rules)

IMO, the tight tolerance between the shackle and shackle hole *is* part of the anti-shim security. It might not even be intentional, but if there's no way to fit a shim in there then the lock cannot be shimmed and is shim proof, even if the mechanism is technically susceptible to it. If you can't get to the mechanism, it's not vulnerable to that attack :).
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Re: Able to insert one locking pole: lock shimable?

Postby kwoswalt99- » 3 Jan 2016 12:30

pillar wrote:Does being able to insert one locking pole into the lock mean, the lock is shimable due to its technology?
Even though the shims cannot be inserted.

Yes, theoretically. However, that type of locking mechanism opens up other bypass opportunities, which of course can't be discussed here.
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Re: Able to insert one locking pole: lock shimable?

Postby billdeserthills » 3 Jan 2016 17:41

pillar wrote:Regarding the Burg Wächter Diamant D600/40:
Because of its tight tolerances no shims can be inserted.
But when the lock is open I can press one of the locking poles in, even when there is no key inserted.

Does being able to insert one locking pole into the lock mean, the lock is shimable due to its technology?
Even though the shims cannot be inserted.



Sorry, the actual answer is NO
It's simple, you said 'Because of it's tight tolerances no shims can be inserted'
You see, You answered your own question!
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