Kickstarter: Noke "no key" Bluetooth padlock

[iankellogg]

Well as long as the lock uses a 6 or more number pair key I think it might be fairly difficult to hack the bluetooth.

You need to know the exact mac address for the lock you are attacking and then also the exact pair key. I am inexperienced with lock picking but I think the bluetooth is going to be more secure.

[Nagelfar]

it seems to me that if the tap code is 5 clicks long with only long or short to pick from, that should be a easy way into the lock.
anyone know anything about this? didnt see anything specifik on the site.

[mh]

it seems to me that if the tap code is 5 clicks long with only long or short to pick from, that should be a easy way into the lock.
anyone know anything about this? didnt see anything specifik on the site.

This review http://www.iphone-ticker.de/video-vorha ... est-90812/ shows a screenshot with 6 clicks. I believe you could chose a longer code, too, but don't have the lock yet to test it.

[Nagelfar]

well thats good, i guess.
But then again, if you are able to choose the lenght youreself, then most would pick a shorter length one.

[mh]

The Noke feels really poorly made, and it took me longer to remove it from its packaging than it did to open it without a code or phone. Writeup will be hitting advanced when I get around to it. Checking the app next, but that will take way more time since I don't really care...

Any update? I guess I'm close to getting mine soon, and would like to know if it's any good at all...

Cheers
mh

[Legion303]

Sorry, mh...I've been so busy at work since July that I haven't been spending much time here. That should change soon.

The update for those who don't know is this: Irongeek couldn't replicate my results with his lock, and no one else has seriously tried. Consider my opening a fluke until the opening can be successfully duplicated.

Because this method appears to be destructive (according to discussions I had with mh), I can't give details here. Sorry. But the good news is I never posted anything about it in Advanced either, so you're all missing out together. :)

[Big Jesse]

I got to play with this lock at a locksport meetup 2 weeks ago, Jgor let me try it out, heres an excerpt of the article I wrote on the meet up pertaining to this lock...for anyone not in the loop as to what it is.

Next was a conceptual lock that could only be purchased through Kickstarter called “noke”. It is an electronic padlock that uses Bluetooth technology to sync your phone with the lock itself. Purchasing this lock comes with a free download of the proprietary software required to “shake hands” with the lock so to speak, and when the phone is in range (about 10 ft.) the lock automatically opens. There is a failsafe to this lock that is quite unique, you must press on the shackle of the padlock, using MORSE CODE to unlock the lock!! NO SH*T! It was currently set to SOS (…---…) So I pressed on the shackle as if sending an SOS signal in Morse Code, as a small LED light lit up on the face of the lock with every note, and POP! The lock opened! There are some inherent disadvantages to owning such a lock as it is still in Beta Testing, but this is a very cool lock indeed!

http://imgur.com/Phhw9u6
http://imgur.com/cu0gnKO

[Rickthepick]

I recently got hold of one of these and naturally lp101 was my first port of call.

Here is an SOS opening I filmed earlier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqRLKGcw7Hg

I am interested to see how vulnerable these are before I go supplying them willy nilly.

[mh]

At least it is vulnerable to code tryout sequences - if you entered e.g. EZFGSOS in morse code it would still open.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_sequence explains how to construct such tryout sequences.

It would be more secure if the user had to specifically initiate each code entry, and then a lockout time should be added after 3 unsuccessful attempts.

Cheers
mh

[Rickthepick]

continuing this here: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=62464 to avoid breaking rules

[mh]

FYI:

I wrote an article about Noke for the German locksport organization SSDeV here:
https://blog.ssdev.org/?p=3299

If you are into funny translations, try google translate: https://translate.google.com/translate? ... 3Fp%3D3299

Cheers
mh

[jimu57]

2 words. Cutoff Wheel.

[mh]

2 words. Cutoff Wheel.

As a mod, I would like to ask you to keep the discussion in the non-destructive area.

[jimu57]

Sorry about that.

[kwoswalt99-]

Well as long as the lock uses a 6 or more number pair key I think it might be fairly difficult to hack the bluetooth.

You need to know the exact mac address for the lock you are attacking and then also the exact pair key. I am inexperienced with lock picking but I think the bluetooth is going to be more secure.

Is this one of those situations where you're actually the owner of the company or something like that?