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I personally HATE master lock, They are cheap crap that is extremely easy to pick/bypass. They are more concerned about how much money they can make rather then making a quality product that is secure! Stay far away from MasterJunk
I understand what everyone is saying about you get what you pay for. But shouldn't Master catch some flaq, look what they did to the American lock after they bought them out. Look at there nice six security pin LOTO locks, it's apparent they have the technology to do better.
Forestfire1776 wrote:I understand what everyone is saying about you get what you pay for. But shouldn't Master catch some flaq, look what they did to the American lock after they bought them out. Look at there nice six security pin LOTO locks, it's apparent they have the technology to do better.
In LOTO locks, they included better cores, but cut the costs and used plastic housings. If they do the same for their Target line up, they most likely will raise the prices up to twenty a lock. Just a guess.
Forestfire1776 wrote:I understand what everyone is saying about you get what you pay for. But shouldn't Master catch some flaq, look what they did to the American lock after they bought them out. Look at there nice six security pin LOTO locks, it's apparent they have the technology to do better.
In LOTO locks, they included better cores, but cut the costs and used plastic housings. If they do the same for their Target line up, they most likely will raise the prices up to twenty a lock. Just a guess.
I think the bodies are plastic so they won't conduct electricity. But you are right, if the Master 930 came with that core it would be a rock solid lock.
HerrMannelig wrote:Master Lock gets a lot of flak from lock pickers, but I think that is silly.
You bought the lowest level line of padlocks, sold in stores where nobody important would buy locks. What did you expect?
Now, if you go to the Master Lock website, you'll see locks of designs which are far better. They are more expensive, but you can get another design, and pay for it, for higher security.
To judge a company by its lowest level line of products aimed at the least informed buyer is no better than being one of those uninformed buyers.
So, I go to the Master lock website. Click through the options for a high security padlock to protect my very valuable 'stuff' and first thing that comes up is a range of padlocks for under $5. First ones were warded padlocks too.
Now, I'm not in the US, and I know they're not the only company making poor quality, but even when you ask for high security, you get shown locks that deserve to be ridiculed... which is why Master locks get ridiculed.
Yes, they do sell some good high security locks, but they mainly seem to sell rubbish, and they push that rubbish onto customers because they know the customers know no better. That's no excuse.
It's like giving a heart transplant patient a heart from a donor who smoked 60 cigarettes a day for 30 years and who die of cancer and saying it's ok because the patient doesn't have a medical degree and they don't know any better. Bit of an extreme example, but what Master lock is doing is verging on misrepresentation. They're selling security but what they're delivering to people is glorified paperweights! By all means, sell cheap, low security locks, but be honest and tell people that's what they are!
Exactly. It is ridiculous to get a inexpensive lock and then mock it for being inexpensive. Lock are not about being invincible, but about meeting security requirements.
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But think about this. Master lock produces plastic shelled safety lockout padlocks. I own seven for practice picking. They come with 6 pin cores full of security pins. Honestly to me they look like American Lock cores, and they can be take a bot to pick. If they can make a plastic safety lock so hard to pick why are the locks they sell to secure actual valuables so weak? How much could the manufacturing costs differ between an American and Master core?
nickmannnxx wrote:But think about this. Master lock produces plastic shelled safety lockout padlocks. I own seven for practice picking. They come with 6 pin cores full of security pins. Honestly to me they look like American Lock cores, and they can be take a bot to pick. If they can make a plastic safety lock so hard to pick why are the locks they sell to secure actual valuables so weak? How much could the manufacturing costs differ between an American and Master core?
Master could be up for millions if someone easily picked a safety padlock and a serious accident occurred like a 220,000 volt electrocution or a hydro power station penstock flooded with workmen in it. Far better to provide a pick resistant mechanism than risk a major lawsuit. Industry standards most probably require a reasonable level of pick resistance and provision of a reasonable number of differs. If a safety padlock is broken with a reasonable amount of force, the problem is with the equipment owner or contractor, not the lock supplier.
Forestfire1776 wrote:I think the bodies are plastic so they won't conduct electricity. But you are right, if the Master 930 came with that core it would be a rock solid lock.
The purpose of an LOTO (lock-out tag-out) lock is not to make it impossible for someone to override the locked-out control, but rather to make it impossible for someone to do so unintentionally. Such locks are for use in places where people will be care by rules which mandate that they not be broken open except when absolutely positively necessary. In many places, someone who destroys a LOTO lock without a very very good reason, or who through negligence (e.g. leaving equipment inappropriately locked before going home) compels such destruction, is apt to be fired immediately and may face criminal charges. LOTO locks are designed to uphold the principle that someone who checks out a lock and key is responsible for them until they're checked back in. If Bob checks out lock/key set #1953, and lock #1953 is found securing something it shouldn't, that should prove that either Bob put the lock somewhere he shouldn't have, or he let the one and only key out of his possession (which he shouldn't have). If the locks could easily be raked or bypassed, that would undermine the accountability implied by their use.
Why is a plastic lock more pick secure than its brass counterpart? Because plastic is underestimated! The tolerances for plastic mass produced parts are much tighter than the precision of usual (quality) locks. If the injection molding tool insert is produced to tight tolerances it will produce ten thousands of parts with this tolerance. Tolerances of up to a micrometer can be reached without to big problems for pins.
However, the keyed emergency stop switches, which often serve the same purpose as a loto, are often just ridculiously easily pickable wafer locks. Nevertheless, they serve the purpose of stopping unintentional switching on machines.