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Schlage Lock proving as a pain

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Schlage Lock proving as a pain

Postby Sidkik23 » 29 Jan 2016 13:12

Before I begin, I feel obligated (for reasons of legality) to point out that this lock is not actually attached to a door (It's my old door lock that I replaced). When picking a 5-pinned Schlage SP Cylinder (Sorry, but i'm not sure what the exact model is) I rake a couple times, and move onto the remaining pins. I lift each binding pin, and I can't feel that anymore are binding, but the lock won't open. Is there a quick fix for this or something as an inexperienced user that I may be missing? Thanks in advance for those who answer!
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Re: Schlage Lock proving as a pain

Postby sheerluck » 29 Jan 2016 14:17

My guess is that raking is leaving the pins you think are set as not actually set after all, just high enough to let the key pins rattle freely.
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Re: Schlage Lock proving as a pain

Postby Squelchtone » 29 Jan 2016 14:22

Sidkik23 wrote: I lift each binding pin, and I can't feel that anymore are binding, but the lock won't open. Is there a quick fix for this or something as an inexperienced user that I may be missing?


You won't like this answer, but the quick fix is more practice, and the something you're missing as an inexperienced user is... experience. There are no tricks we can teach you to suddenly become a better picker. That will come with time. I'd take the lock apart and repin it with only 3 pins in different chambers not just 123, but maybe 1 empty 2 3 empty empty or empty 1 2 empty empty 3 and try to get progressively better and adding a 4th pin and then all 5 pins. and remember, only lift each pin until you believe it is set, I'm assuming you're not just lifting each pin all the way up as high as you physically can.

Keep practicing and remember to have fun
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Re: Schlage Lock proving as a pain

Postby Jacob Morgan » 29 Jan 2016 17:16

Sidkik23 wrote: I rake a couple times, and move onto the remaining pins. I lift each binding pin, and I can't feel that anymore are binding, but the lock won't open.


To me, a person ought to focus on SPP and raking separately. Become proficient in each method first before thinking about combining them. Otherwise you'll never know which method is not working and improving one's skill will be very difficult. To add to SquelchTone, nothing wrong with starting with one pin and just get used to it for a week, then add pin two and work it several times a day for a week. Just getting it open is not the point, learning to feel what is going on in the lock and the manual dexterity of feeling pins with the pick and being able to move from one pin to another particular pin is the point. Get used to it before adding more pins. Better to add one pin a week and develop good basics over a month or two than to develop haphazard skills in a couple of weeks that open locks part of the time.

I started playing with locks almost thirty years ago. A little bit harder to find picks and books back then in the pre-Internet era. SPP was something I had a hard time with, because I always tried it with all the pins in the padlocks I had. So raking was what I tended to do, at least it worked--part of the time. Fast foreward ten years later and I got some better picks and eventually learned to SPP, one pin at a time. How much more skill I could have built up over those years if I had started off SPP one pin at a time to begin with?
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Re: Schlage Lock proving as a pain

Postby jbrint » 31 Jan 2016 9:25

I have never actually raked open a Schlage lock and not from a lack of trying either. I think the keyway shape, tighter tolerances and the right angle bend before getting to the pins keeps me from effectively raking it open. SPP'ing these locks is in my opinion the best course to an open on them and once you spend some time in the keyway and get used to how it feels they become as easy as any others to open. I have a 6 pin Schlage with a high/low/high/high/low/high pin config that fought for a while and now it is one of my favorite locks to pick. Just make some attempts at this lock and feel it out and find a combination of pick/tension tool that feels good to you. For me a Sparrows Short Hook or Euro Hook both do pretty nice in getting up there with feedback. Throw the thinner Peterson's Pry Bar in the top and it tells me what to do.
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Re: Schlage Lock proving as a pain

Postby Devhad » 10 Feb 2016 13:19

From what it sounds like to me you may have a high/low pin configuration. just as you get one binding pin you are oversetting another one nearby. Try sending the pick in at a slight angle on the top grove at about the 11o'clock position so it is not affecting any other pin. to set the binding pin turn it back to the 12o'clock and lift slightly to set. once you set that pin turn it back to 11 and move on to the next. If you get a false set research "security pin feedback"
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