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by Rakka » 2 Feb 2016 0:10
Hey guy,, Ive done FAQ search aņd Search but found nothing concerning my issue here. If there is one that Ive missed, I Apologize!!! Okay Ive been picking almost 3wks now. Started w Mstr 140 to a few chinese locks to a Mstr 3 both commercial /regular and day before last I started on my 5200 series and am popping it at will now. Okay so since Ive lost my key to it I decided to gut it and rekey it by hand also a first for me. My key is ugly as hell but works like a charm, out of the shell. Once I got it all cleaned up and lubed (wd-40) I reasembled the lock. Then the Issue...... ....
Now I slide the self key into the keyway and its really snug an tight to turn the key. It will turn and open and of course it will also turn to relock, also snug an tight. Key removes smooth and easy. It is snug enough that I thought I was gonna twist the key off but after examining it a few time open an closing, its IMHO, nowhere near twisting off, but if you were to do it once or twice for your first time you wld probably think the same thing.
Anyone familiar with 5200 being hard to turn and what the cause may be/ How to fix it? Anyone familiar with 5200 series, probably knows they are normaly super uber smooth turning to open and close. Not this one, not now. Could it be, just maybe, that the screw for asembly may be too tight? Thx in advance for your feedback.
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by kwoswalt99- » 2 Feb 2016 1:42
Is it key retaining or not? The reason I ask is I'm wondering if maybe the shielding wafer wasn't put in correctly, and got pressed in wrong. What core does it have, copper or brass color?
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by Squelchtone » 2 Feb 2016 3:53
Rakka wrote:Hey guy,, Ive done FAQ search aņd Search but found nothing concerning my issue here. If there is one that Ive missed, I Apologize!!! Okay Ive been picking almost 3wks now. Started w Mstr 140 to a few chinese locks to a Mstr 3 both commercial /regular and day before last I started on my 5200 series and am popping it at will now. Okay so since Ive lost my key to it I decided to gut it and rekey it by hand also a first for me. My key is ugly as hell but works like a charm, out of the shell. Once I got it all cleaned up and lubed (wd-40) I reasembled the lock. Then the Issue...... ....
Now I slide the self key into the keyway and its really snug an tight to turn the key. It will turn and open and of course it will also turn to relock, also snug an tight. Key removes smooth and easy. It is snug enough that I thought I was gonna twist the key off but after examining it a few time open an closing, its IMHO, nowhere near twisting off, but if you were to do it once or twice for your first time you wld probably think the same thing.
Anyone familiar with 5200 being hard to turn and what the cause may be/ How to fix it? Anyone familiar with 5200 series, probably knows they are normaly super uber smooth turning to open and close. Not this one, not now. Could it be, just maybe, that the screw for asembly may be too tight? Thx in advance for your feedback.
2 things.. since you are new.. try to write out things like company names such as Master instead of Mstr since it helps others down the road when they search for Master in the search box. and we cant tell whats wrong with your home made American 5200 key without seeing a photo. It may look ok to you, but we may see an angle that is the cause of the lock being tough to turn. How does the cylinder and key turn when the cylinder is not in the padlock body? Squelchtone

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by billdeserthills » 2 Feb 2016 11:50
Take a look at your key & see if you can see marks from the pins, that would indicate your pins are just a bit too high, which would make the lock cylinder hard to turn. This is also why many locksmiths still file pins from time to time
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by GWiens2001 » 2 Feb 2016 13:57
No response yet, so here is another possibility... are you sure you installed all the key pins and/or driver pins? If a pin is missing in a stack that still has a driver spring, then the spring would get mangled and wrapped around the plug, making turning difficult.
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by Rakka » 2 Feb 2016 23:11
Squelchtone - I will, thank you. When the cylinder is out of the shell it turns slippery wet perfect. I havnt been able to get in there and mess with it yet today and maybe I could have waited to ask for help, but Its buggin the hell outa me .... the retaining screw and shield possibly being too tight and maybe pinching or something. At the same time that I hope thats it for an easy fix I hope not cause even I know the Newbish possibility is..well...noobish.
KWOSWALT99 - the key does retain and its a Brass core.
Billdeserthills - with alternate lights and magnification I see no signs of the pins.
GWiens2001 - Very sure....but Im gonna look anyhow.
Thx folks...I try work out a key pick...which is noob ugly...but worked so well outside the shell and only inside the sleeve, both perfect..I just dont see what else it could be by just putting it into the shell....other than screw too tight. But then again.....im a noob
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by GWiens2001 » 3 Feb 2016 9:28
Rakka, if the key turns the lock cylinder perfectly when the cylinder is outside of the padlock body, then all the springs and pins are in the correct locations. No need to look further at this possibility. Gordon
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by kwoswalt99- » 3 Feb 2016 15:35
Rakka wrote:I just dont see what else it could be by just putting it into the shell....other than screw too tight.
You should be able to tighten the screw as much as you want without affecting the operation. I don't have any more ideas at the moment, maybe pics would help with the diagnosis...
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by Rakka » 4 Feb 2016 0:44
Thanks to all helping here. It is very helpful.
Okay i tried loosened retaining screw and its smooth as it should be. So I just gradually snged it up while turning key untill it got sstiff, then backed off a hair till smooth again.
Im thinking the lil plate the screw goes thru while also closing off cylinder bit with a keyway hole....cld be pushing against cylinder. So that sounds like the guts must not be seated ....bottomed oit... IF, I shld be able to snug it up as tight as I want...which I never do on purpose. But IF true I shld be able to, then seating may be issue. Ill mess w it tomorrow
Thx again all
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by Aronlocks » 4 Feb 2016 20:56
Hey rakka, I'm pretty new here and just saw your post,I actually worked on repinning 2 American locks last week, you might want to check the little piece that keeps the bearings from falling out, sometimes the spring in that isn't on properly and can cause friction. Hope this helps
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