Question about a Taylor

[Devhad]

Picked a Taylor "jimmy proof" lock clockwise and it wouldn't unlock so I used a plug spinner to go counterclockwise and still no dice. Do these locks have a feature preventing them from opening by key? I saw some reference to a night latch feature when searching google but no specifics.

[GWiens2001]

A picture of the lock would help us a whole lot.

Gordon

[billdeserthills]

I would tell you, but it is a secret.
Just one of the interesting things about rim cylinders

[Devhad]

I would tell you, but it is a secret.
Just one of the interesting things about rim cylinders

At first I wanted to thank you for replying with an amazingly worthless reply. But then I took what you cryptically said and advanced my research. And now I see that you answered my question by making me find the answer to my question.
But if what I've learned is true shouldn't it have gotten stuck when it reached its limit at the 3ockock. It freely spun back to the 12oclock from the 3 o'clock and likewise from the 9 o'clock.

[billdeserthills]

I would tell you, but it is a secret.
Just one of the interesting things about rim cylinders

At first I wanted to thank you for replying with an amazingly worthless reply. But then I took what you cryptically said and advanced my research. And now I see that you answered my question by making me find the answer to my question.
But if what I've learned is true shouldn't it have gotten stuck when it reached its limit at the 3ockock. It freely spun back to the 12oclock from the 3 o'clock and likewise from the 9 o'clock.

Does it work well with a key?

[RumballSolutions]

Does your lock require a double throw in order to retract the bolts? I.e. Do you need to pick it twice?

[C locked]

It would seem you are attempting to use the lock without knowledge of the locks operation
I recommend anytime you encounter an unknown lock or new lock type, disassemble, strip each component out(those that will)
Identifying each component, its function, its operation
When you understand how it fits together, you will be able to make it work how you want it to
And to diagnose what is not working when things inevitably fail.

I always try to get information on any lock im working on.
I find historical patent documents to be a valuable toool for old or unusual locks

I recommend anytime you do disassemble a lock
Take photos, keep them as a record for your future endeavours in lock openings

Knowledge is a weapon, but you cant beat good luck

Best of luck

[Devhad]

Does your lock require a double throw in order to retract the bolts? I.e. Do you need to pick it twice?

That's what I was starting to think but it stops hard at 3 o'clock when picked Clockwise and when picked ccw it stops at 9. It's a $25 lock so I can't picture it having any crazy security features.

[GWiens2001]

Again, can we get a picture of the lock? All we can do is speculate until we see what you are actually working with. I have my suspicions, but if it is not the same lock, then my suspicions are wasted effort.

Gordon

[Squelchtone]

Again, can we get a picture of the lock? All we can do is speculate until we see what you are actually working with. I have my suspicions, but if it is not the same lock, then my suspicions are wasted effort.

Gordon

I know what you mean GW, I installed a nice little surface mount taylor (or maybe it was an Ilco) deadbolt on a closet door with a Medeco rim cylinder on the outside.. poor man's gun safe at an old apartment.. hinge pins on the hinge side too. solid wood door, and painted the medeco cylinder white to match the door, so in case of a smash and grab, they'd ignore or not have time enough to get into that closet.

I'm also curious to see if it is that format lock or if is a Segal jimmy proof style that interlocks with the strike plate.. I have one of those Segal type locks at work, and always turn it the wrong way to unlock it. I think the direction changes with the handing of the lock since the whole surface mount body has to be rotated 180 degrees. I'll learn the direction one day!

Squelchtone

[Devhad]

Sorry. I'll try to get a picture uploaded today. In the meantime I think it's a model 197.

[Devhad]

I wont be back at the house where this lock is for a bit but here is a picture of what it looks like.
I'm thinking the tab on the side of it may be used to disable the lock from opening by key but I'm not sure.

[Squelchtone]

I wont be back at the house where this lock is for a bit but here is a picture of what it looks like.
I'm thinking the tab on the side of it may be used to disable the lock from opening by key but I'm not sure.

The tab on the side is a spring loaded trap door so if someone rips the rim cylinder out of the door and the cylinders tailpiece slides out of the lock body, the spring loaded door closes preventing someone from using a screwdriver to turn the mechanism unlocking the bolt.

[Devhad]

Thanks for the info on the tab. I guess it was something preventing the lock from unlocking. I applied what I thought was Enough torque to raise the bolt. Maybe I'll spend the $20 at Home Depot and see if I missed something.