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Please Recommend Grease Type for Locking Hardware

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Please Recommend Grease Type for Locking Hardware

Postby djed » 15 Feb 2016 0:55

... not for the wheel pack. I was thinking about using some bicycle grease I have in my workshop.

Please see my other recent thread to see pictures of the hardware I plan to grease.

Thank you.

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Re: Please Recommend Grease Type for Locking Hardware

Postby cledry » 15 Feb 2016 1:17

I use Lubriplate 130.
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Re: Please Recommend Grease Type for Locking Hardware

Postby billdeserthills » 15 Feb 2016 11:30

I like Superlube, it is a synthetic grease impregnated with teflon and it will not dry out or turn into paste like lithium grease does
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Re: Please Recommend Grease Type for Locking Hardware

Postby dll932 » 26 Feb 2016 15:05

Superlube is very good as is Loctite Viper Lube. Both are good at wide temp ranges and won't separate.
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Re: Please Recommend Grease Type for Locking Hardware

Postby RumballSolutions » 26 Feb 2016 15:31

+1 for Superlube. Never had a problem with it.
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Re: Please Recommend Grease Type for Locking Hardware

Postby djed » 26 Feb 2016 17:05

Thanks everyone for your feedback.

I bought the Lubriplate 130AA in the 10oz tube and it is coming out in different consistencies. Mostly it is the beige grease as expected but there are spurts of light green (think slime) colored oily substance here and there.
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Re: Please Recommend Grease Type for Locking Hardware

Postby MBI » 26 Feb 2016 17:46

djed wrote:Thanks everyone for your feedback.

I bought the Lubriplate 130AA in the 10oz tube and it is coming out in different consistencies. Mostly it is the beige grease as expected but there are spurts of light green (think slime) colored oily substance here and there.


It's just starting to separate when it does that. If you knead the tube or stir up the tub you can get it to mix in again.

As bill mentioned, lubriplate can dry out over time as the oil evaporates or separates out of it. I love lubriplate for certain things where things require frequent re-lubricating but I don't use it in an enclosed situation when I won't have easy access to it so I can re-lube it at least every year or so.

Synthetic greases are still petroleum byproducts but they're more highly refined and filtered than the non-synthetic brands. They usually lubricate better and last longer. I'm REALLY generalizing here, but hopefully I'm making sense with this explanation. Militec makes a nice grease for firearms. It stinks to high heaven but really lasts and is wondrous at reducing friction. I use it on certain parts in Abloy cylinders. I'm not just trying to tout one brand though, there are lots of other synthetic oils and greases on the market that are probably great as well in various applications, and in general I'll have a bit more faith in a synthetic grease than old school stuff.

In the instructions some greases recommend heating the metal before application. I've heard it described as giving the grease or oil a chance to "soak-in or penetrate into the pores in the steel" making the lube sound like a skin lotion, or the metal sound like it has wood-like properties. That's not really the best comparison since steel doesn't have pores in that sense, but if you look at most steel surfaces under high enough magnification it can look extremely coarse. If you heat the metal before applying some greases, it melts the grease and allows it to flow into the deeper microscopic crevasses and lower spots in the metal, displacing the air there and filling the space with lubricant. That way even when all of the visible grease has been wiped or worn off, the surface is still actually lubricated since the surface tension of the grease will keep it in those deeper pits in the steel, providing at least a minimal amount of lubrication even when it appears all the grease is gone.

At a trade show once I had a factory rep start an engine with synthetic oil, let it warm up, then pulling the drain plug and letting all the oil drain out into a barrel. He let that engine run for a LONG time, essentially dry, and it didn't seize up. Granted, it was at idle and not under load, but it was still impressive. Once the parts had fully heated up so the oil could fully coat the metal, right down to the microscopic level, it kept providing lubrication just with the small amount of oil that was stuck to the parts. He really sold an awful lot of mechanics on the benefits of synthetic motor oil that day. Sold a ton of the stuff.
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Re: Please Recommend Grease Type for Locking Hardware

Postby cledry » 27 Feb 2016 8:04

I should have mentioned we normally have a contract to service safes and vaults annually. I can tell you it does take more than a year for the Lubriplate to dry out, but how long I do not know as we replace it as part of the yearly service. What I have found is that it sticks nicely to what I put it on.
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Re: Please Recommend Grease Type for Locking Hardware

Postby Jacob Morgan » 27 Feb 2016 9:43

cledry wrote:I use Lubriplate 130.


Lubricate 130 A was used in WWII to lubricate military rifles and stayed in use into the 1960's. One gunsmith supply house sells it for $12.99 for a 14 ounce can (http://www.brownells.com/gun-cleaning-chemicals/oils-lubricants/lubricant-protectant-oils/130-a-mil-spec-grease-prod6525.aspx (if you set up a commercial account with them, just click the box that you are a company when you set up an account, prices are discounted). I don't have any connection to Brownell's other than spending way to much money with them over the years for various projects.

Grease is oil in a base of some sort, the oil can separate from the base. Exposed to air grease will take longer to dry out and oxidize than will oil alone, but I would never put on grease on something if it was not a schedule to go back to later and de-grease and re-grease. You don't want an oil or grease that will oxidize into a sticky mess. There are a lot of new gun greases out there, but be careful of snake oil: there was recently a hot new wonder gun lubricant that turned out to be nothing but coconut oil with perfume added to it.

For oil and grease that should stay in place and take a long time to oxidize and work well with brass one could look at clock lubricants. http://timesavers.com/c-325925-oils-lubricants.html Clocks have brass bushings and steel pivots that rotate constantly for years and years. A drop of oil is all that stands between running for decades and wearing out the bushings and needing a several hundred dollar re-bushing job. Some of the lubricants claim to be good for constant use for 10 years. The clock oil I've used before was very thin but stayed in place, and clocks are not re-oiled but every few years. If someone had to use grease or oil and was not sure if they could get back to it for years it might be worth a look. Only problem is one could spend as much for a 1 ounce jar of clock lubricant than one would for a 14 once can of Lubriplate, but maybe cheaper than having to drill a safe later on if the less-costly grease turned into a sticky mess.
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Re: Please Recommend Grease Type for Locking Hardware

Postby cledry » 27 Feb 2016 13:38

The Lupriplate is only used on the bolt work so even if it solidified it wouldn't create a lockout. Also it tends not to solidify when the safe is used frequently.
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Re: Please Recommend Grease Type for Locking Hardware

Postby dll932 » 1 Apr 2016 16:41

Here's another good one:

http://www.alisyn.com/tribolube-household.php

Sprays out liquid, turns into grease. Good over wide temp range.
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Re: Please Recommend Grease Type for Locking Hardware

Postby averagejoe » 1 Apr 2016 23:33

Here is the S&G recommended grease. http://mbausa.com/aeroshell-22-grease-3-oz-6-x-1-2-oz/

A little goes a long way and one of the 1/2 oz containers can easily do a dozen or 2 safe locks since you need a very tiny amount per lock.
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