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Help! Restricted Corbin/Russwin keyway, need to identify.

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Help! Restricted Corbin/Russwin keyway, need to identify.

Postby WestCoastPicks » 8 Mar 2016 15:37

I was given these 2 locks with 1 key that looks like it's all 3's. The locks are pinned the same. I have looked through the manuals and have searched google, I have looked at well over 100 corbin russwin keyway profiles. I fear this is one of those restricted keyways, can anyone help me figure out what keys I need? I would love to re-pin these and put them back in service. They are very nice locks.

I have included some high res pics, hope they help. Thanks for your interest! and thanks for your help :D

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Re: Help! Restricted Corbin/Russwin keyway, need to identify

Postby GWiens2001 » 8 Mar 2016 15:54

Blue paint on the key bow and that simple bitting. Could that be a construction core?

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Re: Help! Restricted Corbin/Russwin keyway, need to identify

Postby WestCoastPicks » 8 Mar 2016 16:02

I'm not sure where they came from, My father gave them too me a few years ago when I first got in to lock picking. They have no security pins, they are 6 pin, the blue paint was put on by my father cause he was actually using these locks for a while (for a couple months before I showed him how easy they are to pick, literally a toothpick will do it with an even bitting). So he replaced them with medeco and gave me the old ones.

He doesn't remember where he got them, but his job has him in and out of restaurants hotels and factories. Chances are he got them as throw aways from a business. Not sure, but am sure it's restricted. I can see under the paint what looks like restricted do not duplicate.
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Re: Help! Restricted Corbin/Russwin keyway, need to identify

Postby billdeserthills » 8 Mar 2016 16:25

I don't think it is restricted at all, rather I think it is an older keyway, which is most likely hanging on my keyboard under
the Corbin keys, instead of the Corbin/Russwin keys, as it had a very different head on it than your blue key has
I'm thinking something like a CO 89 key
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Re: Help! Restricted Corbin/Russwin keyway, need to identify

Postby WestCoastPicks » 8 Mar 2016 16:42

billdeserthills wrote:I don't think it is restricted at all, rather I think it is an older keyway, which is most likely hanging on my keyboard under
the Corbin keys, instead of the Corbin/Russwin keys, as it had a very different head on it than your blue key has
I'm thinking something like a CO 89 key


Thanks for the reply! Sorry that's not even close. The first ward on the bottom is on the right on my lock, it's on the left on the 89. I have found keys where the wards almost match, but if you look, the tops of the 2 bottom wards are flat and the bottoms tapered, the top ward is reversed. It's not in their PDF's, Ilco's database or anywhere on google, I can find one that is close, but not one that is the same.

I broke out photoshop and turned this out quick, just to give you an idea. I zoomed in and edited just the keyway out.

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Re: Help! Restricted Corbin/Russwin keyway, need to identify

Postby billdeserthills » 8 Mar 2016 17:07

So just pull the head off the key and braze it onto the other end...
or you could chuck up a kwikset key into your milling machine, gotta be close
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Re: Help! Restricted Corbin/Russwin keyway, need to identify

Postby WestCoastPicks » 8 Mar 2016 17:10

billdeserthills wrote:So just pull the head off the key and braze it onto the other end...


Haha. I thought of this actually. has anyone done it? Is the key long enough? cause you're going to lose some off the tip.

A KW1 is somewhat close. But I have no milling machine sadly. I was thinking of trying to hand file one down. But I'm looking for blanks if possible. I'm also curious what keyway this is. It's 6 pin, so It would be lots of hand filing to try and fit it in a 6 pin corbin lol. Last resort I guess. Thanks for the reply!
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Re: Help! Restricted Corbin/Russwin keyway, need to identify

Postby billdeserthills » 9 Mar 2016 13:33

I think someone actually brought me one of your keys last year and I wound up sending them away and later getting no satisfaction from
my distributor as far as getting ahold of a corbin restricted key without an ID#, but have you looked at an A1011PZ blank yet?
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Re: Help! Restricted Corbin/Russwin keyway, need to identify

Postby jeffmoss26 » 9 Mar 2016 18:32

billdeserthills wrote:I think someone actually brought me one of your keys last year and I wound up sending them away and later getting no satisfaction from
my distributor as far as getting ahold of a corbin restricted key without an ID#, but have you looked at an A1011PZ blank yet?


I don't think that would work - that is the master for the N series keyways.
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Re: Help! Restricted Corbin/Russwin keyway, need to identify

Postby billdeserthills » 9 Mar 2016 19:33

jeffmoss26 wrote:
billdeserthills wrote:I think someone actually brought me one of your keys last year and I wound up sending them away and later getting no satisfaction from
my distributor as far as getting ahold of a corbin restricted key without an ID#, but have you looked at an A1011PZ blank yet?


I don't think that would work - that is the master for the N series keyways.


It sure didn't work on the key that was brought to me, but it looks good by memory
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Re: Help! Restricted Corbin/Russwin keyway, need to identify

Postby WestCoastPicks » 9 Mar 2016 20:07

I'm thinking that an a1001EHR should fit, it is the closest thing I can find from corbin. Anyone hazard a guess if it's worth buying a few?
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Re: Help! Restricted Corbin/Russwin keyway, need to identify

Postby jeffmoss26 » 9 Mar 2016 20:51

WestCoastPicks wrote:I'm thinking that an a1001EHR should fit, it is the closest thing I can find from corbin. Anyone hazard a guess if it's worth buying a few?

I have a couple of those, PM me.
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