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Exit device help

A place for professionals to trade tips about installing and servicing door closers, hinges, panic bars, and exit devices.

Re: Exit device help

Postby cledry » 16 Mar 2016 5:58

shutterstuff wrote:
billdeserthills wrote:The two screws holding on each side are about an inch long. I like to unscrew the top & the bottom and then you can start sliding the cover away,
on each side. Then the push bar part in the center will slide off & you can see the dogging mechanism


I have the end caps off. I could not get the cover to slide off while attached to the door, so I took it off. Now with some pretty serious bruit force, it still will not budge. I am about to resort to block of wood and hammer...

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If it is un-dogged I have never seen one that doesn't very easily slide apart. You can remove the screws from the back side that hold the two spring pads and then the front will pull off so you can see why it isn't coming apart.
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Re: Exit device help

Postby shutterstuff » 16 Mar 2016 8:09

cledry wrote:
billdeserthills wrote:The ones I have worked on always just slid off


Not until it is un-dogged.


It is undogged.
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Re: Exit device help

Postby billdeserthills » 16 Mar 2016 11:49

cledry wrote:
billdeserthills wrote:The ones I have worked on always just slid off


Not until it is un-dogged.



I've never been able to remove the unit from the door, to begin with, unless it is un-dogged!
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Re: Exit device help

Postby billdeserthills » 16 Mar 2016 11:51

shutterstuff wrote:
cledry wrote:
billdeserthills wrote:The ones I have worked on always just slid off


Not until it is un-dogged.


It is undogged.



So, did you try taking the screws out of the back side?
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Re: Exit device help

Postby shutterstuff » 16 Mar 2016 12:02

billdeserthills wrote:So, did you try taking the screws out of the back side?


Rivets... but I am about to drill them.

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Re: Exit device help

Postby shutterstuff » 28 Apr 2016 17:41

I see I never followed up on my final solution.

Adams Rite only carries the front cover or the whole shebang (all parts for a new install sans vertical rods is the smallest kit sold). You cannot order just the push bar assembly even though I tried. I did get the front cover and used a large hammer and beat the old cover off. The new cover slid right back on like they are supposed to. Door problem solved.

With talking to Adams Rite support and sending in pictures we came to the conclusion that all 16 doors were retrofitted at some point with the current dogging device. The original install had the dogging in the end cap (hole is still there). The retrofit was done wrong on all doors! I just hope no more dogging devices fail... but I now know I can use a wood block to beat them apart if I have to and save the cover from damage.
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Re: Exit device help

Postby Squelchtone » 29 Apr 2016 0:05

[EDIT: Moved from Locksmith Lounge to Close that door!]
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Re: Exit device help

Postby cledry » 29 Apr 2016 4:57

I always had assumed (apparently incorrectly) that section was for talk about door closers. oops.
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Re: Exit device help

Postby shutterstuff » 29 Apr 2016 8:05

Squelchtone wrote:[EDIT: Moved from Locksmith Lounge to Close that door!]


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Door Closer:
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Re: Exit device help

Postby Squelchtone » 29 Apr 2016 8:15

cledry wrote:I always had assumed (apparently incorrectly) that section was for talk about door closers. oops.




here's this sub forum's description


Close that door!
A place for professionals to trade tips about installing and servicing door closers, hinges, panic bars, and exit devices.



As seen here:
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Re: Exit device help

Postby shutterstuff » 29 Apr 2016 8:25

I stand corrected...
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Re: Exit device help

Postby cledry » 29 Apr 2016 17:37

Who reads descriptions?

I guess I think of exit devices opening doors so that is where I had incorrectly assumed just by the sub forum name.
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Re: Exit device help

Postby Squelchtone » 29 Apr 2016 19:00

cledry wrote:Who reads descriptions?

I guess I think of exit devices opening doors so that is where I had incorrectly assumed just by the sub forum name.


I posted a pic of the new areas when I created them so everyone had a chance to see what they were all about, I don't want to hear excuses, kind of tired of you guys giving me a hard time about everything lately. : viewtopic.php?f=46&t=58993&start=45#p439769

I'm all ears if you guys ever thing some sub forum should be renamed or have it's name tweaked. suggest something useful and I'll change Close that door! to something better.

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Re: Exit device help

Postby Robotnik » 29 Apr 2016 19:24

"Commercial Hardware: Closers, Latches, and Panics"

...would be my humble suggestion.
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Re: Exit device help

Postby Squelchtone » 29 Apr 2016 19:42

Robotnik wrote:"Commercial Hardware: Closers, Latches, and Panics"

...would be my humble suggestion.


It has to fit somehow in the white/blue links menu on the left side of the forum, then the descrption box can be an entire paragraph.

Wonder if theres a way to use some of the words from your suggestion. Closers & Crash Bars. Something like that.
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