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Kwikset Smart Key

Thinking of upgrading your door security? Getting a better deadbolt or padlock? Getting a new frame or better hinges? Not sure what brand or model to go with for your particular application? Need a recommendation? Feel free to ask for advice here!

Kwikset Smart Key

Postby JosephRidell » 23 Mar 2016 9:12

My parents are building a house and looking at which lock to buy. They just settled on Kwikset Smart Key locks. The lock advertises that it is pick proof, as well as it can be re-keyed with out taking out the lock. Is this lock safe? And how does this lock work? Is it not a regular pin and tumbler?
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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby jbrint » 23 Mar 2016 9:29

This pretty much sums up the security.

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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby JosephRidell » 23 Mar 2016 10:04

So it looks like its not very secure, but how does it work? Is it a pin and tumbler? And how does it re-key so quickly and easily?
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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby GWiens2001 » 23 Mar 2016 10:36

JosephRidell wrote:So it looks like its not very secure, but how does it work? Is it a pin and tumbler? And how does it re-key so quickly and easily?


It is not a pin tumbler lock, and it will take an entire write-up to explain how it works. Thought I did one a while back.

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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby Squelchtone » 23 Mar 2016 10:43

GWiens2001 wrote:
JosephRidell wrote:So it looks like its not very secure, but how does it work? Is it a pin and tumbler? And how does it re-key so quickly and easily?


It is not a pin tumbler lock, and it will take an entire write-up to explain how it works. Thought I did one a while back.

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Here it is: http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=59018#p432873

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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby jimu57 » 23 Mar 2016 11:47

My opinion is stay away from it. Look on youtube and you can find a few videos about easy forced entry on these locks. Doesn't leave any visible indication that is has happened unless you take it apart. There is even a special tool that can purchased for the specific purpose of forced entry on these. SNIP!!! Please don't list specific tools that can be used, even if it seems to be common sense - GWiens2001

I still say that if you have a wooden door jamb it doesn't matter what lock you put on a door. A good kick can bust a wooden jamb whether it has a $30 Kwikset or $300 Abloy installed. No burglar is going to pick a lock.

My 2 cents is go with Schlage. I like them better for quality and aesthetics. You can always put a couple of spools in to improve the pick and bump resistance.
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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby billdeserthills » 23 Mar 2016 14:44

The smart key locks don't last long out here, either. I had one yesterday to rekey, I changed it and after I tried my second key in it,
it totally quit working. I even took it apart and using my reset cradle I tried to reset it several times, without success. I finally just
sold them a new pin tumbler knob lock instead.

If your parents want real security I would pick Assa or Medeco. Sure, both of those could be picked, but in truth, if someone
is going to spend hours messing around your house, they will find a way in.
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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby GWiens2001 » 23 Mar 2016 16:09

billdeserthills wrote:If your parents want real security I would pick Assa or Medeco. Sure, both of those could be picked, but in truth, if someone is going to spend hours messing around your house, they will find a way in.


Have to agree with Bill. If some criminal has the skill needed to pick a Medeco, or far more difficult, an ASSA Twin, then they are not going to waste time on a normal home. As a general rule, criminals don't pick locks. They will try a brute force method such as 'foot picking' the door open.

On the flip side of the coin, if you have vastly superior looking locks and have the place looking like Fort Knox compared to the place next door, the criminals may well think that your place must be loaded with valuable things to steal. If the places next door are using Kwikset, then Jimu's recommendation of Schlage might not be too far out of line.

But if you are going to spend the money on a high security lock, then be sure you harden the rest of the house... doors, door frames, film on the glass and so forth.

Criminals are far more likely to try for an easier target. If you make your home even a little bit harder to get into than the house next door, they will probably go next door.

If you want to split the difference, you can get some of the better Schlage locks like the:

Schlage Primus: (Click the link to see an article on Schlage Primus at Lockwiki).

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and this one, the Schlage Disclock:

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OK, OK, OK. That last one is not a real product. It is a Schlage body with an Abloy Disclock KIK cylinder. Just keeping you on your toes. :mrgreen:

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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby jimu57 » 23 Mar 2016 20:19

I go with Gordon. A Medeco on the front door of a house is nothing but a red flag. I live in a very rural area. A while back in the next county over from me, I saw a small frame house back in the boonies with a blue ADT sign in the from yard. All that told me is that he has some expensive stuff in his house and that you can come steal it when he is not home because it will take the police department probably 45 minutes to get there

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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby billdeserthills » 23 Mar 2016 20:35

Alarm companies that don't have their own security are such a joke. I can't believe anybody thinks the police have
the extra time needed to check on every alarm that goes off & still do all the other work they did have as well
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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby JosephRidell » 23 Mar 2016 21:27

So on the box it says pick and bump proof. Is that true? Can't you pick it like a normal wafer lock?
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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby GWiens2001 » 23 Mar 2016 21:57

It is absolutely not the same as picking a wafer lock.

It won't open by bumping, but bumping would destroy the lock so fast it is not even close to funny. As for 'pick proof' - it is not pick proof. Have picked it myself, and I am not the greatest at picking. But you need to understand how the lock works to effectively pick the lock. And do not use heavy tension.

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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby Jacob Morgan » 23 Mar 2016 23:11

If the parents are building a house then before even thinking about locks they should go with a solid wood door and glue a solid piece of wood between the door frame and the stud in the area around the strike box, then install the strike box (for the dead bolt) with good wood screws (not drywall screws) that go from the strike box all the way through the stud. That would be done before the finish carpentry. That will help make the door kick resistant. A steel door frame would be best, if codes and such allow it. I grew up in the south west and some homes were made with steel frames set in cinder block walls--it would take time and noise (and a really sore foot) to kick in one of those.

A lot of builders these days think it is a touch of class to put as much glass as possible around the door. If someone has to have one of those abominations then there are steel reinforcement strips that can be installed on the door frame that would make the best of it. Better off to skip that type of thing.

Looks like good advice here on locks, I don't have anything to add except that a Schlage, with an anti-bump kit, is what I have on my door. I know that there are people skilled enough to open it, but if they roll into town they are hitting the jewelry stores, not my house. In the mean time the lock does not look any different from what the neighbors have.

If building a house I would go ahead and run the wires for a security system if there is any possibility of installing one in the future. Maybe wireless units have gotten better but wires are best. Like Bill wrote, alarms are not magic at scaring off burglars, but if the alarm gets the neighbors looking out their windows it would help. Try running wires after a house is built--makes running them while a house is being built a joyous occasion.
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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby cledry » 24 Mar 2016 5:37

I would like to see someone put the Abloy cylinder in a Kwikset deadbolt just for giggles.
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Re: Kwikset Smart Key

Postby billdeserthills » 24 Mar 2016 6:47

cledry wrote:I would like to see someone put the Abloy cylinder in a Kwikset deadbolt just for giggles.




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