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Magnetic cam lock

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Magnetic cam lock

Postby kwoswalt99- » 27 Mar 2016 17:20

Has anyone seen these before? http://capitolindustriesinc.com/product/magnetic-cam-lock/
And does anyone have any idea of how it works? It seems like a good product.
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Re: Magnetic cam lock

Postby Jacob Morgan » 27 Mar 2016 17:46

This is an old patent, but it might have some bearing on the product in question: http://www.google.com/patents/US3837195
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Re: Magnetic cam lock

Postby MacGnG1 » 27 Mar 2016 20:34

looks like the old MAGLOK brand locks.
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Re: Magnetic cam lock

Postby Jacob Morgan » 27 Mar 2016 22:30

If you look at their video on how to duplicate keys, one can gather some ideas. It looks like there are four rare earth magnets in each key and that there is something to how each one is held (the plastic inserts orient them in different ways). The video shows their version of a key code and a clever person could probably figure out a lot from that.
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Re: Magnetic cam lock

Postby MBI » 27 Mar 2016 22:33

MacGnG1 wrote:looks like the old MAGLOK brand locks.

I have a couple of MAGLOK cylinders. One is a knob, the other is... I forget, maybe a padlock? It's been too long since I've looked at them.

I'd have to dig one of them out to be 100% sure but aren't the face of the keys flat, with a completely round outline? The keys for that cam lock look like the face of them are flat but with top, botton and sides that are slightly flattened giving it a squarish appearance. At first I was thinking MAGLOK too but did they ever make those slightly different looking keys as well?
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Re: Magnetic cam lock

Postby cledry » 28 Mar 2016 5:36

MBI wrote:
MacGnG1 wrote:looks like the old MAGLOK brand locks.

I have a couple of MAGLOK cylinders. One is a knob, the other is... I forget, maybe a padlock? It's been too long since I've looked at them.

I'd have to dig one of them out to be 100% sure but aren't the face of the keys flat, with a completely round outline? The keys for that cam lock look like the face of them are flat but with top, botton and sides that are slightly flattened giving it a squarish appearance. At first I was thinking MAGLOK too but did they ever make those slightly different looking keys as well?


I think the square is used as the actual mechanical interface to allow the key to have enough connection to turn the cam reliably.
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Re: Magnetic cam lock

Postby MacGnG1 » 28 Mar 2016 16:10

Maglok locks are round with a tab at 12:00 and 6:00 ... Different sizes but just slightly so you put the key in the correct way And it can turn the plug.

Here is a pic of the padlock:

http://s1219.photobucket.com/user/MacGn ... k.jpg.html

If you zoom in you can see the plug face.
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Re: Magnetic cam lock

Postby Jacob Morgan » 28 Mar 2016 22:01

Looked at the videos some more and paused them a few times to look at details.

There are 3 magnets in the key. There are different inserts to hold the magnets and the magnets are inserted with the North/South poles inwards or outwards. The company claims more than 1,500 possible combinations. Given the 3 magnet locations it back calculates to 13 possible variations for each of those magnets P(13,3) = 1,716. Given the North/South orientation of a magnet, or no magnet at all (a marketing gimmick to get more than 1,320 combinations?), that leaves 6 variations. There seemed to be 6 slots in the plastic box with key-building components and that would confirm that idea. So there are probably 6 different plastic inserts that can go into any of the 3 different slots in the key and each of those six inserts places the magnet in a different location within the 3 areas for magnets. So it comes down to 3 magnets being in 1 of 6 locations and with the north polarity pointing inwards or outwards relative to the center of the key--that part is key, the north/south poles do not point into the lock as would be expected, they point parallel to the lock.

Also found an article on the Locksmith Ledger: http://www.locksmithledger.com/article/12122753/c-is-for-capitol-cam-lock That article has some pictures of the inside of the lock, and the fourth one is really interesting.

It is clever, it is not a matter of attracting or repelling pins to a shear line, rather three brass cams with magnetic cores have to both be brought into a given alignment before the key can be turned, hence the north/south poles being parallel to the lock. I'd be a little concerned about what happened if the key lost some magnetic strength over time, but otherwise it is clever idea. If one hollowed out a key to use as a tension wrench it would be interesting to see if one would get any feedback if they played a magnet over the three areas while applying pressure to the wrench.
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