Notes on picking the TrioVing 5652 padlock

[Squelchtone]

Some of us recently purchased those Trioving 5652 padlocks that were on ebay with no keys.

These locks are real beasts and aside from looking very well made, they turn out to be a real chore to pick.

I've worked on mine a llittle, but have not picked it open yet, but look at this guy, is this someone here?




here's what makes picking these so tricky, these so called trampoline pins, that to me look like 2 mushroom pins stuck together

Thanks to xeo for the nice video

share your tips and tricks on picking this lock here,
Squelchtone

[Mudman]

Thanks for sharing this, As a beginner I shouldn't even be trying to pick mine yet. But the price and curiosity got the best of me. It's a REALLY nice lock. I've got about 40+ hours spent on mines so far. Someday I'll be able to pick it.

[Joshua904]

Ive watched that video around 5 times, looking for clues. I actually asked the guy a question about a week ago, and got some pointers.

I have the same lock, probably from the same auction. Its hard to tell in the video, but are picking each pin completely, or letting it get into the false set then setting them? I'll get two different levels of false sets, which I'm sure is just me getting different combinations of sets and false sets on different sides of the wider part in the center of the pins. Either way, I get into the false sets and find one with feedback and just drop everything. It's just a false set to "home position" loop.

Fantastic job by the way!

hey Josh,

Each pin has to be set a few times. I definitely know about the two different false sets and the loop to starting over after that deep false set. Set your binding pins to your false set. Heavy tension. when you get that deep false set I just had to figure out which pins had to be set by trial and error. The pins that did give feedback in the deep false set always overset and dropped everything. Lighten your tension and try the pins that offer no feedback. Keep trying and you will find the right combo.

And another person commented last night agreeing with the posters comment saying he had to do the same thing.

Hope it helps.


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Also I found out that the huge octo rake will immediately put you into that "first" false set simply by inserting and removing once. You can also get to that deeper false set by rocking it, flipping it over and rocking a little more. It saves a lot of time and frustration after SPPing it to these points multiple times and having all the pins drop on ya

[Mudman]

Would this be best suited to a deep hook pick? I've been raking a little with a worm, bogata, followed by a Sparrows High Reach hook.

Judging by Squelch's second video, these pins look quite evil!

[Joshua904]

The keyway being as open as it is, you'll need something to help reach up high, yet not over set. I can't tell you the best one to use, since I haven't picked it and alot is personal preference... but-
If using top of the keyway tension, I found a deforest half diamond did a good job, if using bottom of the keyway, a standard hook, or hybrid (gem) worked for me. I'm not nearly as surgical with these picks as most... just found this worked for me. I also started out with my slim euro set (.018") because i figured it would be touchy... yeah, screw that. You need to apply pressure, so use standard thickness picks. Also when it came to TOK tension, my .050 wrench was too thick, the .040 worked, but was a little loose. I'm going to have to do some customizing and make something that is around .045- although not a necessity.

Good luck!

[Squelchtone]

ok, this lock was a pain, but I'm happy to say it's open!



tension was definitely key, but I didn't use very heavy tension as I heard other folks had to do with this lock. The pins had the same feeling as a stuck spool pin, and I just kept going back and fourth feeling for the key pins that felt very stuck, and popping those up.

I wasn't getting great results using my usual top or bottom of keyway wrenches, and wanted something more comfortable to press my finger against, so I decided to try the wrench that was included with my NDE Magazine pickset. I'm not a huge fan of the look of this wrench, but after tonight, I'm willing to keep an open mind. I used the wider end as top of keyway tension wrench. The pick is a Peterson hook with plastic handle.

Squelchtone

[Joshua904]

Nice! I'm going to start working on mine again.

[LocksportSouth]

Congrats! I know I said so on chat too but Assas are no laughing matter in general, and I hear good things about TrioVing. Nice job

[Squelchtone]

Thanks guys. I'm going to try to decode the key pins this week and make a rough working key, which others can then grab the template to make keys for the locks you bought from the same ebay auction.

Squelchtone

[MBI]

...I wasn't getting great results using my usual top or bottom of keyway wrenches, and wanted something more comfortable to press my finger against, so I decided to try the wrench that was included with my NDE Magazine pickset. I'm not a huge fan of the look of this wrench, but after tonight, I'm willing to keep an open mind. I used the wider end as top of keyway tension wrench. The pick is a Peterson hook with plastic handle.

Squelchtone

I'm glad to hear the pickset was useful in some way!

I'm sold on those wrenches. Peterson prybars are obviously better wrenches, but they are also a lot more expensive. On these wrenches from Southern Specialties, I like to trim down that longer end so both ends will work well on the top of the keyway. Then I lightly crimp those ends with wire cutters to give them some serrations so they grip better to stay in place.

If you don't want to cut up the wrench from your NDE set I have a spare one I can toss in with this package I'm sending you, then you'll have one to butcher and experiment with.

[Mudman]

Nice work Squelchtone! I'm still working on mines, playing with different tensions and picks. Can't wait to open it someday.

Looking forward to that key too. I'd love to use it as well since I picked up two for this reason.

[Cfisch9]

I also purchased this lock from the same ebay listing. It took me about 2 hours of on-and-off picking to get into it. Definitely a tough lock with some tough pins. I then decided to drill out the pin stacks on the side of the lock and see exactly how it was pinned. All 7 stacks had the trampoline pins that you can see in the cutaway video. I then tapped the stacks and rearranged the pins to make it challenging all over again. I now have a really tough practice padlock. I'll have to post some photos when I get a chance.

[kwoswalt99-]

I've never heard those called trampoline pins before, I've always heard "barrel pins".

[Joshua904]

Sat on the couch watching a movie, was in and out of false sets. Kinda played around until none of the ones in the middle would do anything. Wiggled the first and second pin up, since they were bound and weren't giving spool-like feedback. Once they went up worked my way back. I can't remember if I got any clicks out of the ones in the middle, but when I got to the back, either pin 6 or 7, it was bound up. Wiggled and pushed, and the shackle just fell out.

It was a great feeling, even without that snap and the shackle jumping out.

I've been on and off this thing. About every 3-4 days I'd give it 15-30 minutes... But I was always focusing. Kick back, watch a movie and half ass it... Magic happens.

[kwoswalt99-]

No countermilling in these things right, just tight tolerances and spools? Nice job Josh!