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by ezmony23 » 5 Mar 2016 6:04
Hi, this is my first post, so hopefully its in the right place. Ive been a locksmith for 12 years with a nice size shop, but somehow, some way, I have completely avoided safe deposit locks or basically any Flat steel keys/locks. A local bank contacted me about changing out some of their locks, but I honestly don't know where to start. DRILL?, PICK?, Lock Puller? Also, I have bravo 3 blitz and futura. Can any of these machines cut the flat steel keys? If so, What cutter should I use. Thanks so much or your help. If anyone needs automotive help, I'm your guy.
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by Squelchtone » 5 Mar 2016 10:21
ezmony23 wrote:Hi, this is my first post, so hopefully its in the right place. Ive been a locksmith for 12 years with a nice size shop, but somehow, some way, I have completely avoided safe deposit locks or basically any Flat steel keys/locks. A local bank contacted me about changing out some of their locks, but I honestly don't know where to start. DRILL?, PICK?, Lock Puller? Also, I have bravo 3 blitz and futura. Can any of these machines cut the flat steel keys? If so, What cutter should I use. Thanks so much or your help. If anyone needs automotive help, I'm your guy.
Be honest with your bank and say you don't have the training on that style lock, but are currently learning how to service them and would like to offer them your services in the near future. Lockmasters and other places offer training http://www.lsieducation.com/courses/safe_deposit.html and sell training books on doing safe deposit box work, $39 dollar book here: http://www.sievekingprodco.com/locksmithguidebooks.html from The National Locksmith called Safe Deposit Box Service. I bet after reading one of those you'd be much more comfortable taking on that job. As for cutting flat keys, someone else here can probably tell you if your machine carriages can handle flat keys. just my 2 cents Squelchtone

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by cledry » 5 Mar 2016 13:24
HPC Blitz can cut them. It is a PITA. If they are something ordinary like S&G just pull a nose and replace. Takes literally under a minute per lock to open and maybe another to replace, a bit longer if you need to swap guard wafers. Some guys pick them but I am not fast enough and the locks are so cheap. You can even recycle them with a new cover and renters nose/foot.
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by ezmony23 » 6 Mar 2016 15:29
Thanks for the tips, Thats about all I need. I'll get one to practice on, a nose puller, and the book that was suggested. I just got to find out which cutter wheel for the blitz. Appreciate it.
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by billdeserthills » 6 Mar 2016 22:51
I want you to make very sure that Before you start working, you have identified the safe deposit lock being used, as they are not all still available. That would be the difference between drilling & refinishing a door, and simply destroying & screwing back on a replacement lock .You don't want to find out the lock you just destroyed costs more than what you quoted to do the whole job...
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by GWiens2001 » 6 Mar 2016 22:57
billdeserthills wrote:I want you to make very sure that Before you start working, you have identified the safe deposit lock being used, as they are not all still available. That would be the difference between drilling & refinishing a door, and simply destroying & screwing back on a replacement lock .You don't want to find out the lock you just destroyed costs more than what you quoted to do the whole job...
Very good advise. Gordon
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by ezmony23 » 7 Mar 2016 1:34
billdeserthills wrote:I want you to make very sure that Before you start working, you have identified the safe deposit lock being used, as they are not all still available. That would be the difference between drilling & refinishing a door, and simply destroying & screwing back on a replacement lock .You don't want to find out the lock you just destroyed costs more than what you quoted to do the whole job...
Absolutely, I will definitely do that, and I'm guessing there could be restrictive keyways? I'm assuming that if it is an obsolete style and I'm able to pick the lock open, I could switch around some of the cams/levers to fit a new or modified key?
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by billdeserthills » 7 Mar 2016 11:42
Safe deposit locks mostly use flat steel keys, so nothing restrictive. Most banks just seem to assume the steel keys cannot be duplicated by their clients for some reason. I had a bank manager yell at me from the phone after finding my shop stamp on a duplicate key his old client had returned after losing one of the originals. He didn't know that I could legally duplicate his banks 'magic' keys, without his permission, said that now I had single- handedly screwed up all the safe deposit box security! I had to remind him about their sign-in card, hard to fake a signature card.
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by GWiens2001 » 7 Mar 2016 12:00
Slight correction. Most safe deposit keys are flat. Some are stamped to a warding, and a few do have actual normal keyway warding.
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by Squelchtone » 7 Mar 2016 23:25
Lockmasters has a set of DVD's on sale for around $100 bucks, I know I'm a visual learner and watching DVD's sounds like a lot more fun than reading an old manual. Safe Deposit Lock Training Set of 3 DVDs - by Steve Young Here's an article Steve Young wrote for Locksmith Ledger, it lacks photos (I think you need to be logged in) but still has useful info for anyone trying to learn: http://www.locksmithledger.com/article/ ... -servicinghope this helps, Squelchtone
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by Sinifar » 19 Apr 2016 7:20
Mostly you will run into Diebold or Mosler - however be aware that there is a Mosler Invincable. If you run into this, do not attempt to pull this nose or the box lid. this lock throws a bolt into the top and bottom as well as the side - you can identify this lock due to the "corregated" that is a zig zag keyway - you need to have the correct drill point to shim this open and it isn't a place for a newbie to work.
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by GWiens2001 » 19 Apr 2016 22:16
Sinifar wrote:Mostly you will run into Diebold or Mosler - however be aware that there is a Mosler Invincable. If you run into this, do not attempt to pull this nose or the box lid. this lock throws a bolt into the top and bottom as well as the side - you can identify this lock due to the "corregated" that is a zig zag keyway - you need to have the correct drill point to shim this open and it isn't a place for a newbie to work.
Sinifar
As they say, a little knowledge can go a long ways. Little bits of information like this can save a whole lot of headaches, not to mention money. Gordon.
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