Misticmight wrote:Don't suppose anyone knows whats inside the 3up masterlock? Also, the I opened a magnum series, I believe it was a 930 today and it had 5 spools and 5 standard drivers
3up is the same as the regular #3, so 4 standard drivers.
I recently bought a Masterlock 140 (140EURD, bought in a big box store in France) and it feels like there are no security pins at all. It is a tiny bit more difficult to pick or rake than my other 4-pin no-name padlocks but I think it is just because the springs are a littler stronger. I feel no false set or counter rotation.
Is it because it is an European model or are the security pins so poorly made that they don't actually secure anything?
GuB wrote:I recently bought a Masterlock 140 (140EURD, bought in a big box store in France) and it feels like there are no security pins at all. It is a tiny bit more difficult to pick or rake than my other 4-pin no-name padlocks but I think it is just because the springs are a littler stronger. I feel no false set or counter rotation.
Is it because it is an European model or are the security pins so poorly made that they don't actually secure anything?
I've never picked a 140 that didn't have security pins, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Some of the 140/150's I own take a little bit of picking to get a false set, some won't rake to a false set either. They do have spools though, yours probably has only one.
I found a #3 at work the other day and so with my free time I thought what the heck this will occupy Me for a couple secs but to my surprise I was having a bit of trouble at first and luckily the way I was holding the lock I had a good look at the top of the 1st key pin for sec I thought it was shadow thinking there's no way this has a serrated pin so I used my pic to scrape the top and sure enough the 1st pin atleast was serrated. After seeing it I picked it in secs but I never would have believed it it was a first to me in these. And the locks not new (not made in the last 7-8 yrs) if not for the way I was picking I would have probably never noticed.
Latestplague[] wrote:I found a #3 at work the other day and so with my free time I thought what the heck this will occupy Me for a couple secs but to my surprise I was having a bit of trouble at first and luckily the way I was holding the lock I had a good look at the top of the 1st key pin for sec I thought it was shadow thinking there's no way this has a serrated pin so I used my pic to scrape the top and sure enough the 1st pin atleast was serrated. After seeing it I picked it in secs but I never would have believed it it was a first to me in these. And the locks not new (not made in the last 7-8 yrs) if not for the way I was picking I would have probably never noticed.
Your pin wasn't serrated for the purpose of being an anti-pick pin, but I'll tell you what you just discovered. The padlock you had is the 3UP model which is Univeral Pin. you insert your key into this 'unprogrammed' lock, whack it with a hammer, and it breaks apart the pins that are either pre-scored/serrated looking and look like a stack of pancakes and it at that point sets the key pins to match the key you inserted.
Thank you sir I was hoping I would get an answer. This lock humbled me for a few mins. The #3s I had picked b4 sticking in your pick was about all the picking required haha. once I noticed these cuts I started paying attention and got opens quickly. But I def. Think this is why I see a lot of new pickers asking why they can't pick these #3s if they are supposed to be easy. I also tried raking this thing open prob about 45 mins and couldn't get an open. That fustrated the heck out of me
Here's the one I found masterlock 3up. If not for the flash you couldn't see the cut in the first pin I had to scrap it with my pick to be sure. A lot of play in this one. I was able to pick it with light tension and moderate the most important thing I found was that I had to put slight downward pressure on the wrench at the same time so I could feel the serrations pop until I reached the shear and then a nice click. True binding order was imperative if I even barely pushed on the wrong pin atleast one would fall.And I used top of the keyway tension. Anyway hope this helps if you stumble upon one to.
It belongs to a friend of mine at work. I'll see if he will trade it out for another, if he will I'll bust it open when I get time and we'll find out. It's a shame because despite its looks & name it's a good pick I had thought about trading and giving it away to someone. I do know though that 1st pin has a milled cut in it for sure and it picks like serrated ur 3up explanation made perfect sense especially when I looked at pics of what one looks like when opened up.
