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Mittens82 Homebrew Picks

When it comes down to it there is nothing better than manual tools for your Lock pick Set, whether they be retail, homebrew, macgyver style. DIY'ers look here.

Mittens82 Homebrew Picks

Postby Mittens82 » 2 May 2016 22:11

Made another set this time adding a city rake style, I am working toward making a large complete set and I have been experimenting with different methods for making the handles, so far its pretty challenging. Any advice from you guys here that make your own picks especially handles feel free to chime in. http://imgur.com/a/SN2Me
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Re: Mittens82 Homebrew Picks

Postby PowerHaus930 » 2 May 2016 22:24

Very nice looking picks. I like that you went with your own designs and didn't just copy from a template. What are the picks and handles made from? Did you use power tools or just hand tools?
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Re: Mittens82 Homebrew Picks

Postby Joshua904 » 2 May 2016 23:06

They look great!
Only advise I can offer is pay attention to the grain of the metal. It's hard to see, but you just need good light, no fancy telescopes. You want it running length wise. Also be careful with over heating the metal while shaping it.
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Re: Mittens82 Homebrew Picks

Postby kwoswalt99- » 2 May 2016 23:16

Joshua904 wrote:They look great!
Only advise I can offer is pay attention to the grain of the metal. It's hard to see, but you just need good light, no fancy telescopes. You want it running length wise. Also be careful with over heating the metal while shaping it.


:? Metal doesn't have a grain like wood does.

My only advise would be to make the shaft towards the rear a little thinner, as it will make it easier to use in tight keyways.
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Re: Mittens82 Homebrew Picks

Postby MBI » 3 May 2016 2:05

kwoswalt99- wrote: :? Metal doesn't have a grain like wood does.

Microscopically speaking it does have a grain, as the atoms line up in a crystalline lattice. It can also be visible macroscopically, without magnification, however I'm no metallurgist so I don't know if that's a visible result of that crystal lattice or if it's a result of how the metal is worked.

In pattern welded steel, sometimes called Damascus steel, a different type of grain pattern is easily visible as it's put there deliberately during forging. Also when wire is formed by running it through progressively tighter rollers which squishes it down and stretches it out, a grain-like pattern is often created in steel down the length of the wire. This applies both to typical round wire as well as flat wire like you see in windshield wiper inserts. In fact it can sometimes be very visible if you tear a wiper insert into two pieces instead of folding or cutting it. Even though you are tearing it perpendicularly to the axis of the wire you can often see longitudinal tears start to form as they try to follow the grain structure of the flat wire.

Over the years I've seen how it can definitely be a factor in certain types of metal work, even though my observations have just been in my amateur projects, so you can take that for whatever it's worth (or not worth). Hmm, talking about this stuff again is making me want to go build some things again. Makes me regret that I never took proper welding and machining classes. I only ever got to the point where I can make something "functional" but never nice enough that I'd want to put my name behind it and sell it.
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Re: Mittens82 Homebrew Picks

Postby Joshua904 » 3 May 2016 4:05

kwoswalt99- wrote:
Joshua904 wrote:They look great!
Only advise I can offer is pay attention to the grain of the metal. It's hard to see, but you just need good light, no fancy telescopes. You want it running length wise. Also be careful with over heating the metal while shaping it.


:? Metal doesn't have a grain like wood does.

My only advise would be to make the shaft towards the rear a little thinner, as it will make it easier to use in tight keyways.



http://www.thefabricator.com/article/st ... europart-i

It's something I never knew prior to about a week or two ago. Long story short- while researching metals for home brew picks, I found one I was interested in but had a hell of a time finding. Emails for quotes went out and next thing I knew I had the president of a spring company emailing me all this advise and his best opinion on what metal to use.

I'll elaborate more in my own post later once I get them finished up. I just got my stuff yesterday.
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Re: Mittens82 Homebrew Picks

Postby Jacob Morgan » 3 May 2016 9:53

MBI wrote:Microscopically speaking it does have a grain, as the atoms line up in a crystalline lattice. It can also be visible macroscopically, without magnification, however I'm no metallurgist so I don't know if that's a visible result of that crystal lattice or if it's a result of how the metal is worked


To expand on that, all metals generally start as a casting of some sort. As metal solidifies the molecules (of iron and carbon atoms and what ever other elements there are) form and then those molecules form crystals. The arrangement of atoms in the molecules has a lot to do with the hardness of the steel, and can sometimes be set by heat treating (given that the right atoms are there). I may have mangled the terminology but that is the gist of it. The smaller the size of the crystals the stronger the metal. There are alloying elements sometimes added to reduce the grain size. There are labs where one can send off samples to be etched and photographed under a microscope to see the grain structure.

To turn a cast piece of metal into thin sheet it is rolled out in a rolling mill (or drawn through a die for wire). As it goes through a mill those crystals will be elongated as the metal gets thinner and longer. The lengthwise stretch of the elongated crystals creates a grain oriented lengthwise. Strength-wise, it is easier to break the bond between grains than to break a grain itself, hence it should have better properties with the grain than 90 degrees to it. In my industry (non-ferrous rolled metals) physical property tests are sometimes specified with the grain and/or against the grain--it means something to metalurgists.

In the context of picks, if one is working with strips of metal (1/2" strips of shim stock, sweeper bristles, etc., the grain should be oriented correctly by default. Steel mills or service centers slit large master coils into smaller width coils and they always slit lengthwise (with the grain). If one is working with sheets, either cutting or stamping out picks or shearing the metal into blanks to then grind, then one should pay attention to the grain. At the same time, lifting a pin should not be that stressful, so I would not throw out any picks made across the grain--it would not likely make any noticeable difference. Maybe going with the grain would allow a pick to be very slightly thinner with the same strength, at any rate it could not hurt.
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Re: Mittens82 Homebrew Picks

Postby Joshua904 » 3 May 2016 11:23

Excellent read.
In short- buying a roll of sheet metal 5" wide by 4' long, thinking it would make life easier to just snip off half inch strips since 5" is the length you want (example) would have you going against the grain.
If it matters to the person, that is.
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Re: Mittens82 Homebrew Picks

Postby bembel » 4 May 2016 18:36

Mittens82 wrote:Any advice from you guys here that make your own picks especially handles feel free to chime in.

You don't need any advices I could come up with. Just great! :D
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