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Kickstarter 560G Bike Lock

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Kickstarter 560G Bike Lock

Postby LocksportSouth » 14 May 2016 17:31

Sorry if this has already been posted - I couldn't find anything in search.
I stumbled across This on Kickstarter - it's a bike lock made from Titanium that supposedly resists most physical attacks as shown in their video, and it seems to use some kind of disc detainer lock? Though they don't really mention what lock technology it actually uses.

What do you all think of this from a physical resistance and lock technology standpoint? I'd love to know more about the actual specific locking unit. From a brief look at the keys around the 2:56 point in the video it seems like a disc detainer which should be more secure from a picking perspective, but also the keys look kinda short and don't seem to have much bitting. I'm tempted to back it just so I can comment and ask more about the lock.

Anyway, thought I would share :).

Edit: There's some more pics on their Website
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Re: Kickstarter 560G Bike Lock

Postby Mighty » 14 May 2016 23:42

Reminds me of this bike lock, which ended up being pretty tough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLidaYcgim8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMxot4xTjkc

I don't think Bill ever tried to lever the bars apart by putting a big bar between the joints and testing them in the direction they don't hinge. I'm surprised since so many people were commenting to try this. I could see that being a method of attack, though a thief would look suspicious carrying a huge metal bar around (if it would even work).

They say several times that the bars are made of titanium, but I can't see anywhere where they say that the lock itself is titanium, so that might be a weak point. If so, then its not really that much better than a lock made entirely of steel. They actually say in the video that the rivets at the joints are stainless steel, so that would also be a weaker point. Don't get me wrong, its still a lot of thick steel, so its tough, but a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, so the titanium may be a bit of overkill. I guess it decreases the weight, so you would have to evaluate if the decrease in weight is worth the high cost of the materials.

It's interesting that it locks by just being pressed in. This makes me think it might have some sort of spring operated latch which could be susceptible to shimming or bypass (though we can't discuss that in the normal forums).

The keys do look short, but I would guess form the pictures that they have at least 6 discs. They probably had to keep the keys short, since the lock is at a 90 degree angle, or else it would become a pretty awkwardly shaped device.
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Re: Kickstarter 560G Bike Lock

Postby kwoswalt99- » 15 May 2016 0:14

Mighty wrote:They say several times that the bars are made of titanium, but I can't see anywhere where they say that the lock itself is titanium, so that might be a weak point. If so, then its not really that much better than a lock made entirely of steel. They actually say in the video that the rivets at the joints are stainless steel, so that would also be a weaker point. Don't get me wrong, its still a lot of thick steel, so its tough, but a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, so the titanium may be a bit of overkill. I guess it decreases the weight, so you would have to evaluate if the decrease in weight is worth the high cost of the materials.


The titanium would be the weak point, not the steel. I don't believe them about their lock defying a hacksaw, titanium is just too soft, it is routinely hacksawed. Everyone believes titanium is some sort of super material, it's not. Its properties make it useful for many things, but IMO this isn't one of them.

The disc detainer mechanism seems similar to the ones Masterlock uses. Fairly plain, but I wouldn't worry about anyone picking it.
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Re: Kickstarter 560G Bike Lock

Postby Mighty » 15 May 2016 0:31

kwoswalt99- wrote:The titanium would be the weak point, not the steel.

You are correct- I should've known better after having had to look up why my doctor gave me a steel plate in my ankle instead of a titanium one. Maybe I need a plate in my head too, haha
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Re: Kickstarter 560G Bike Lock

Postby cledry » 15 May 2016 6:33

Mighty wrote:Reminds me of this bike lock, which ended up being pretty tough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLidaYcgim8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMxot4xTjkc

I don't think Bill ever tried to lever the bars apart by putting a big bar between the joints and testing them in the direction they don't hinge. I'm surprised since so many people were commenting to try this. I could see that being a method of attack, though a thief would look suspicious carrying a huge metal bar around (if it would even work).


Abus makes a disk detainer lock that is similar to the Japanese one, or is the Japanese one similar to the Abus. The Abus one is made in Germany and is what I use on my bike, but it isn't light. It does fold nicely and I just shove it under my seat. I don't know how difficult it is to pick, but so far it has kept my bicycle safe.

BTW, I am liking the new image tag!

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Re: Kickstarter 560G Bike Lock

Postby PowerHaus930 » 15 May 2016 23:33

I know this is slightly off topic but why are the two keys in your photo different sizes? The bitting appears to be the same but I may be wrong.
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Re: Kickstarter 560G Bike Lock

Postby cledry » 16 May 2016 0:14

PowerHaus930 wrote:I know this is slightly off topic but why are the two keys in your photo different sizes? The bitting appears to be the same but I may be wrong.


One of them has a built in LED light.
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Re: Kickstarter 560G Bike Lock

Postby PowerHaus930 » 16 May 2016 0:40

That's pretty cool. Thanks for the info.
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