something missing?

[Latestplague[]]

On my way to work awhile back I had a hankering for something new to pick. Now a few people at work test me. They will bring me a lock they have found or already had to see if I can get it open. But the river hits dry spells and I wanted something, and most of us are probably limited on what we can find locally. I had remembered seeing this Brinks at Walmart before, and knowing it probably had atleast spools in it with 5 pins I figured it would give me something to do on my breaks. I have to say I was a little disappointed. I spp'd it in about 30 secs. and it would have been less had I not spent about the first 10 trying to feel the fifth pin. I couldn't feel it so I worked on the others setting 4 pins then an open. Now it has the spools but pin 5 must have went to market cause hes not here. I have used a Peterson over reach, a deforest, and I even made a tool to feel for it but its not there.The only 2 things I haven't done is tear it apart, or put a micro camera in there lol. I believe this is the model #662-62091 [image][/image][image][/image]
There is also only biting for 4 pins on the key . I saw a post where someone else seemed to have the same thing happen with a brinks but a different model. Has anyone else got one of these, or have something to share that wasn't what it said it should be?

[Latestplague[]]

also it is a m1 key which is used for 4 pin locks, and you can see on the back of packaging it says 5 pins and even has a diagram showing 5 pins

[kwoswalt99-]

Use your pick, you should be able to feel how many pins it has.

[billdeserthills]

Merely the latest case in WalMart's Big Lie, I would take it back, show that the key only has 4 cuts and let them buy my next practice lock

I love the back, wow 9600 pounds--That would make me wonder if my cheap chinese shackle cracker can bust that...
but not for long, snap snap

[Latestplague[]]

That's an idea problem is they don't have anything else id want. I will send Brinks an email but I doubt I will get a reply. This could have been a decent lock with that extra pin. They used ball bearing locking mechanism, and it looks as if 13 of the laminated plates under the shackle are solid, they weren't cut out to prevent drilling I assume. The problem with the measure to prevent drilling though is the bottom plate has a 3/8 diameter hole slap in the middle of it. There is no purpose for it except maybe as a bullseye for your drill bit. There is also a hole on the other side under the shackle spring identical in size. If this would have had 5 pins as advertised and the bottom plate did not have these useless holes I see as potential weaknesses, then for $10 I would think this lock would be a steal. It is Beefy & has the spool pins but they dropped the ball at the end in my opinion.
kwoswalt- you must have skipped over the picks I mentioned in the original post, but yes I have used probably 7 or 8 picks feeling for this pin.

[billdeserthills]

No commercial manufacturer would ever load a fifth pin and let the nose of the key hold it up correctly
that is a cheap 'from the long ago', trick that reputable locksmiths should never use

[kwoswalt99-]

kwoswalt- you must have skipped over the picks I mentioned in the original post, but yes I have used probably 7 or 8 picks feeling for this pin.

Yes, I must have.

[Latestplague[]]

yeah its not there. I had help and with someone holding a minimag led for me I took a short hook and mashed the other pins down no #5. These are large pins, like the lock they are beefy and I think if that if they would have fixed the core for five pins my hook would get lost in the hole but its slick as glass. It feels like there might have been room enough for it, I know this key wouldn't accommodate 5 of these large pins you can see (I hope) in the pic that the biting on pin #4 is at the very edge of the blade so much that it is the end of the blade. If they had the room could they not have added the pin and used m2 keys.

[Jacob Morgan]

I love the back, wow 9600 pounds

Note that it didn't say what the 9600 pounds represented--doing a quick calculation that could just be the tensile strength of a 3/8" diameter rod of mild steel. So it used a steel shackle--better than pot metal I suppose. Tensile strength has nothing to do with bolt cutters or ripping the shackle loose from the lock body.

[kwoswalt99-]

I love the back, wow 9600 pounds

Note that it didn't say what the 9600 pounds represented--doing a quick calculation that could just be the tensile strength of a 3/8" diameter rod of mild steel. So it used a steel shackle--better than pot metal I suppose. Tensile strength has nothing to do with bolt cutters or ripping the shackle loose from the lock body.

That's a 7/16" shackle. Brinks shackles are pretty good and hard, on par with Master Lock.

[billdeserthills]

I love the back, wow 9600 pounds

Note that it didn't say what the 9600 pounds represented--doing a quick calculation that could just be the tensile strength of a 3/8" diameter rod of mild steel. So it used a steel shackle--better than pot metal I suppose. Tensile strength has nothing to do with bolt cutters or ripping the shackle loose from the lock body.

Maybe you should tell Brinks, they are the ones with the bolt cutter picture behind the strength rating #

[MBI]

sorry I should have mentioned the shackle is stamped Boron steel.. For those who don't know Boron is known for its strength while also being lightweight. By what I have read it is becoming popular in the automotive industry, along with it being stated that it is nearly saw proof or very saw resistant it is also very hard to drill. The problem with Boron is that with heat its structure begins to change at a molecular level [redacted]. of course Brinks also said this was a 5 pin lock. That's the problem with what do people call it again lying

[ffmurray]

open a complaint with the BBB, might get something out of the deal.

[billdeserthills]

sorry I should have mentioned the shackle is stamped Boron steel.. For those who don't know Boron is known for its strength while also being lightweight. By what I have read it is becoming popular in the automotive industry, along with it being stated that it is nearly saw proof or very saw resistant it is also very hard to drill. The problem with Boron is that with heat its structure begins to change at a molecular level [redacted]. of course Brinks also said this was a 5 pin lock. That's the problem with what do people call it again lying

My bolt cutter calls BS on Boron Steel,
I haven't heard or had any trouble snapping boron steel over any other shackle, but it's nice to know
that shoppers think it is an improvement

[Latestplague[]]

The holes on the bottom plate are 1/8 in diameter for some reason I typed 3/8. also when I looked at the package when I got home to find their contact info I saw that from what I gather is this lock wasn't produced by Brinks but by a 2nd party that is allowed permission to use their trademarked name.[image][/image] I also wanted everyone to see the cuts on the keys a little better. I placed my pick over the area between the bow stop and the first pin, some people possibly wouldn't know this is a dead area(for some locks) for lack of a better term.[image][/image] not sure what ill do with it yet but anyhow I would like to hear similar experiences from people. Things that weren't how they were suppose to be.