Removable Shackle?

[C158]

What is the purpose of this? Allows you to install a lock on an item more easily if it is shrouded? Or?

Thx

[C locked]

In general? Or is this a specific padlock

[C158]

Concept in general, but I am eyeing the Anchor Las 590....

[GWiens2001]

Drool.... Anchor Las 590.... Drool

How tough a lock are you looking for? What will be secured? I ask so we can tailor the answer. Know of a number of removable shackle locks, and want to give an answer that fits your concept. Some are really, really inexpensive but have a really large shackle and some are not cheap at all (like your 590 idea).

Gordon

[ARF-GEF]

Generally removable shcakles have the following purposes:
To allow you to cahnge the shackle's length and to allow better acccess to the lock. Sometimes with restricted space you can't get to the padlock or open the padlock normally.
For example I've seen it used in a door where the shackle and the lock were almsot completely covered by a strong metal half-tube*, so you only had a small hole for the key. The padlock slid out down affter you opened it and the shackle upwrads.
The metal tube extended both up and down so acces with power tools such as angle cutters would be greatly restricted.

(* a bit like a hood with an opening up as well)

[C158]

In regards to my previous lengthy thread on the Ridgid boxes I got to thinking I want a wayyyy overbuilt one now as well.

I know a guy who is a master welder and he agreed to do a box for me out of 1/4" T1 Steel and on that box I am thinking of have a single hasp in the middle. It will be a one off custom box. Just doing it for fun. I will have him make the hasp way overbuilt as well. On this box, I was thinking of the Anchor Las 590 paired with the MCS cylinder.

[Squelchtone]

In regards to my previous lengthy thread on the Ridgid boxes I got to thinking I want a wayyyy overbuilt one now as well.

I know a guy who is a master welder and he agreed to do a box for me out of 1/4" T1 Steel and on that box I am thinking of have a single hasp in the middle. It will be a one off custom box. Just doing it for fun. I will have him make the hasp way overbuilt as well. On this box, I was thinking of the Anchor Las 590 paired with the MCS cylinder.

At this point you should consider a Sargent & Greenleaf 951 military padlock with Medeco core and a NAPEC hasp welded to the steel door/body of the container (available at Snobs)

Gotta ask, but what are you keeping in the 1st container and this one that requires such security?

Squelchtone

[nine4t4]

I assume you're not referring to something like a Master warded

There are certain times, as has been said, where space is restricted. If you're using an extremely large padlock, this makes life much easier. Doubly, if the padlock is shrouded.

You also need to consider that the lock is useless if the hasp it's locking can be easily defeated. So it also compensates for the equally bulky hasps

[C158]

I was looking at their 951 which can be had for $450ish on ebay - way better than $1300 from snobs! But isn't the cylinder (medeco) quite a few steps down from MCS, Protec2? If the the 951 could be had with MCS or Protec 2 then that would be my choice without a doubt. Figured the 590 with the MCS would be better overall and at a similar price as a 951?

Thoughts?


I will look into that hasp....I was thinking about just having him do a custom one for me - better than what can be bought (may not be as pretty, but just stupid overbuilt lol)

[C158]

That hasp looks awesome! What would be the appropriate way to weld that up on a rectangular box? It looks like it is meant for a traditional door?

[Squelchtone]

I was looking at their 951 which can be had for $450ish on ebay - way better than $1300 from snobs! But isn't the cylinder (medeco) quite a few steps down from MCS, Protec2? If the the 951 could be had with MCS or Protec 2 then that would be my choice without a doubt. Figured the 590 with the MCS would be better overall and at a similar price as a 951?

Thoughts?


I will look into that hasp....I was thinking about just having him do a custom one for me - better than what can be bought (may not be as pretty, but just stupid overbuilt lol)

Once the 951 is mounted onto the NAPEC hasp, you'll see that there is about about ~2 inches of room to put your hand under the padlock to insert the keys, and the bottom of the hasp is about 1/4 steel that stops any sort of lock picking or drilling, unless you bend the bottom of the hasp or drill a hole big enough to then *try* to drill the hardened cylinder cap on the 951, and then try to drill the hardened Medeco cylinder inside. But if your guy can custom fab something awesome, then no need to spend $200 on hasp, he can probably weld you up something for less dough.

I'm gonna ask Security Snobs to put a photo up on their hasp page of a 951 in locked position just so folks can appreciate the scale of how large that hasp is. I have/had one kicking around here somewhere, don't recall if I sold it to someone.

Keep us posted with your project,
Squelchtone

[C158]

Interesting....Question, you personally if the Hasp was just welded up to work with any lock BUT was wayyyy overbuilt/thick what lock would you prefer to put on it? The 951 or The 590 with MCS?


Cost of the 590 $480ish after tax ( I am in WA)

OR

Cost of the 951 $400-500


I feel like the body of the 951 is tits. For all intents and purposes they both compare, but coming down to it you gotta give the nod to the 951. That said the core of the 590 (MCS in my case, just to switch up from the protec2 on my 342) is from my reading and so forth un-questionably better than medeco.

What choice is most well rounded?

[Squelchtone]

Interesting....Question, you personally if the Hasp was just welded up to work with any lock BUT was wayyyy overbuilt/thick what lock would you prefer to put on it? The 951 or The 590 with MCS?


Cost of the 590 $480ish after tax ( I am in WA)

OR

Cost of the 951 $400-500


I feel like the body of the 951 is tits. For all intents and purposes they both compare, but coming down to it you gotta give the nod to the 951. That said the core of the 590 (MCS in my case, just to switch up from the protec2 on my 342) is from my reading and so forth un-questionably better than medeco.

What choice is most well rounded?

It depends on the application and who you are securing the contents from. If you think a govt agency with enough time and equipment is going to secretly pick your padlock and sneak a peek into your chest while it is unattended for a week or a month then something like MCS is going to be tougher for them to decode (than a Medeco) and open without destroying it and then putting the same lock in place with a cylinder that will match the magnets on your key, but if you just don't want some he-haw idiots breaking into your hunting cabin or residential home garage while you're not there for a week or a month then an 833 or 951 padlock in a proper hasp will serve it's purpose just fine. They'd have to really want to work for it with a cordless drill or a portable air compressor and a die grinder or other air or power tools to get into whatever you're securing. Some casual break in by meth addicts, metal scrappers, or bored neighborhood teenagers isn't going to bother either the Anchor Las or the S&G padlock bodies. I do like the Anchor Las because it can accept so many different euro profile mechanisms, that's something S&G could take some cues from.

You mentioned possibly having one lock on the custom made container, one issue with having a center lock and only one lock is unless the cover is well designed, it opens up the possibility of prying to cover open on either corner, which the Rigid/Knaack boxes do a good job of protecting against.

Here are a few photos Security Snobs support emailed me showing a 951 padlock locked onto a NAPEC hasp:







Squelchtone

[C158]

Thank you for the pics. That all makes sense. Is this shackle meant for a traditional door? I trying to visualize how to put it on the traditional looking box? I may be overthinking it.

Good point about the edges and prying. Just buying two lock set ups honestly would be too much $$$ for the project. Would there be any other way to prevent the prying on the sides without having to lock both sides?

Hmmmm

[GWiens2001]

Most traditional shackle holes will be far too small for these locks to fit.

Gordon