ISO Identification of Kaba Key Blank #

[Squelchtone]

Hello. First off, this looks like an awesome forum. I look forward to increasing my knowledge and contributing where I can.

I've worked with a locksmith for 3 years now. While cleaning out scrap in his shop, we came across 3 Ilco Kaba KiK cylinders with what appears to be a restricted keyway. I'm hoping someone can identify the keyway or point me in the right direction to find it myself so we can see about possibly selling the cylinders ... just didn't want to attempt that without knowing the keyway.

Thanks for any help in advance. -Scotty






Tried posting the images from my Instagram account, but not too tech savvy.

[Squelchtone]

how about a pic of the keyway in the cylinder?

Thanks
Squelchtone

[fatguy0506]

Sorry couldn't get a better direct image. Tried a rough approximation drawing.

[fatguy0506]

That's better

[Squelchtone]

I think your keys are GeGe, a KABA owned company, just trying to figure out which series mechanism.. maybe AP2000 series since you keys are 6 pin and that systems allows 5,6, or 7 pins.

http://www.kaba.com/access-control/en/s ... p2000.html

still looking up keyway info

here's what my AP3000 key bow looks like:

[Squelchtone]

it *looks* to me like GeGe keyway GE28 or GE28R from the Silca catalog #108 located here on PDF page 125 http://www.silca.biz/media/570746/v4/Fi ... e-p699.pdf

[fatguy0506]

That's not it (the GeGe 28), but I never thought of international. I'll dive through that Silca book later to see if I can find any matches. Thanks so far!

[Davis]

I can't be 100% positive, but that "looks" an awful lot like the Lori 90 keyway. Check these links and see if it looks like I"m close.

https://absupply.net/Kaba-Ilco-15995UD-04-KD-Key-in-knob-deadbolt-Cylinder-with-Lori-90-Centric-90-Keyway-Satin-Brass.aspx
http://locksmithstore.com/il-90-key-blk-lori-6-pin-1614-80-6.html

If that is indeed what it is, I believe that a) you're correct, it's locksmith-only, and b) you probably won't find it in the Ilco key reference book. You can pin cylinders and cut keys using Schlage depths and spaces.

If you know of another fellow locksmith in town, you could always call and see if they have a keyblank for you to test in the cylinders. Let us know how you make out.

Regards,
Davis

[ARF-GEF]

AP2000 series since you keys are 6 pin and that systems allows 5,6, or 7 pins.

(Just a small sidenote: Gege ANS2 and P-extra also allow for up to 7 pins. Not sure about the AP3000 and 4000.)
But that one is definitely not ANS2, AP4000 or Pextra. Not sure if they make the AP3000 in that format but they keyway makes them possible candidates as well.
Does it have a weird(=cool) rotary thing at the end of the keyway? Does it have (at least the space for) a sidepin?

Not to be a downer, but a ton of GEGE blanks are either restricted to lockies or even a specific lockie in that given country or even to single customers if they are big enough. At least in Europe.
If by any (slim) chance you know anything about it's origin that might be a trail worth following.

[Squelchtone]

Hi ARF,
I know my AP3000 has the holes in the key blade for the little gear but it doesn't look like OPs do and now that KABA owns GeGe, I wonder if they borrowed the very unique GeGe bow/head to use on other Kaba owned lock systems and keyways such as the Lori keyway TheLocksmith is suggesting.

Interesting mystery!
Squelchtone

[jeffmoss26]

I have one of those cylinders at home, and also a couple Lori 80/90 cylinders. I will check tonight and report back.

[fatguy0506]

I can't be 100% positive, but that "looks" an awful lot like the Lori 90 keyway. Check these links and see if it looks like I"m close.

https://absupply.net/Kaba-Ilco-15995UD-04-KD-Key-in-knob-deadbolt-Cylinder-with-Lori-90-Centric-90-Keyway-Satin-Brass.aspx
http://locksmithstore.com/il-90-key-blk-lori-6-pin-1614-80-6.html

If that is indeed what it is, I believe that a) you're correct, it's locksmith-only, and b) you probably won't find it in the Ilco key reference book. You can pin cylinders and cut keys using Schlage depths and spaces.

If you know of another fellow locksmith in town, you could always call and see if they have a keyblank for you to test in the cylinders. Let us know how you make out.

Regards,
Davis

That's it exactly! Thanks for the help.

[jeffmoss26]

FYI the Lori keyways are not restricted

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... CbLVqk9Xvg

[ARF-GEF]

Hi ARF,
wonder if they borrowed the very unique GeGe bow/head to use on other Kaba owned lock systems and keyways such as the Lori keyway TheLocksmith is suggesting.

I think you might be right, maybe the do share parts or keyways inside the company, IMO it could make sense.
I never seen a gege bow with kaba name on it yet. But I'm in Europe and I haven't seen every lock there is lol

Plus here they are increasingly referred to as kaba-gege, or kaba-elzett (the local lockmaker). Maybe it's a bit of marketing: saving the brand as standalone where it makes sense, and associating themselves with other brands or selling products under various brand names on markets where it's better that way. You can find the new Gege Pextra+ on Kaba's Austrian site for example.
Assa Abloy sure sells the same locks under different names & brands in different countries.


I'm not familiar with Lori.

[jeffmoss26]

I checked last night, that keyway is indeed the Lori 80/90 but using the Gege style bow.