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Keyway Identification and terminology

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Keyway Identification and terminology

Postby gademsky » 27 Jun 2016 12:19

I am new at picking locks and having some fun. As I look at keyways there are many different styles. Is there a guide to terminology of how to describe a keyway and a set way to classify them...like Dewey decimal system in a library for book classification.

Does anyone have links to literature describing keyways? their different purposes and ownership rights. I have heard locksmiths say something like "I own my own keyway" .
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Re: Keyway Identification and terminology

Postby Squelchtone » 27 Jun 2016 12:46

gademsky wrote:I am new at picking locks and having some fun. As I look at keyways there are many different styles. Is there a guide to terminology of how to describe a keyway and a set way to classify them...like Dewey decimal system in a library for book classification.

Does anyone have links to literature describing keyways? their different purposes and ownership rights. I have heard locksmiths say something like "I own my own keyway" .



Not really in the sense of "this keyway has a half round top, middle is slanted at 45 degrees, bottom is 1/16 inch tall rectangle with a square nipple on the right wall" We learn keyways and manufacturers based on their shape and we just remember this shaped keyhole/keyway/profile has this particular shape and that's a Schlage SC1 or Yale Y1 or a Medeco Original 00, etc, etc. The wards of a keyway are the bits that protrude from the left and right and make it so only a specific key can be inserted as compared to just sticking in a flat screwdriver, but there isnt a system to classify them.

We instead use key blank catalogs from companies like ILCO http://www.ilco.us/media/853756/v6/File ... -sec-2.pdf and Silca http://www.silca.biz/media/570746/v4/Fi ... e-p699.pdf

It's like the cards used to identify enemy and friendly aircraft in world war 2, the silhouette is all you need to tell the keyway.
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Some of them can sure look similar to others, so a lot of it is based on experience. You just have to memorize the ones you work with or want to be familiar with. Some are restricted and like you said "I own my own keyway" meaning the shape is just different enough so that no other locksmith in that geographic area can copy keys for certain locks installed on homes or businesses. Restricted keyways are sometimes shown in catalogs, but some are so restricted you'll never find out it's name, section, profile, keyway, or number unless you buy locks from that lock company and happen to see it on a label on the box or on an invoice. For security reasons it's in the lock companies interest to not publish posters or catalogs of every single keyway they offer.

The bow, or head of the key can often suggest what brand of lock the key is for, or at least what keyways are common to that bow/head but this isn't true 100% all the time, and there are also keys made with blank neuter bows which is a generic shape to hide the fact it's just a Schlage SC1 or a Medeco, or Russwin, etc.

I forgot to mention and this will probably come up, if we use Schlage as an example, C is the shape of the keway, but I think some folks call it a Section or Profile, please chime in if I got that mixed up, and saying SC1 actually gives you the added info that it is a 5 pin lock with a Schlage C section keyway. SC4 is another example which is for locks with 6 pins.

Hope this helps answer your question,
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Re: Keyway Identification and terminology

Postby cledry » 27 Jun 2016 19:01

Think of SC1 and SC4 slang or popular vernacular for 35-100C and 35-101C respectively.
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Re: Keyway Identification and terminology

Postby Jacob Morgan » 8 Dec 2016 21:51

Put these two graphics together today for my own uses. Thought they might be of interest to others. Checked to see if there was already a post on the subject. Know it is an older post, but it brought up the subject so here they are.

Some of the more common residential/commercial profiles. Common in the US at least.

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Some of the more common residential/commercial bows. I should have included a Best:
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Re: Keyway Identification and terminology

Postby jeffmoss26 » 9 Dec 2016 19:16

Nicely done!!
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Re: Keyway Identification and terminology

Postby Squelchtone » 9 Dec 2016 22:34

Jacob Morgan why are the keyways shown upsidedown?
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Re: Keyway Identification and terminology

Postby Jacob Morgan » 10 Dec 2016 0:04

Squelchtone wrote:Jacob Morgan why are the keyways shown upsidedown?


Thought about it later and rotated them 180 degrees. Will post next week when I''m not on the road.

I suppose a key profile in that orientation is the first thing that comes to mind, key blank catalogs do it too.

One thing that locks for a hobby does is make one take note of locks, and it is striking how many one are installed upside down. Either because of profile cylinders or the installer did not know any better or did not care. On second thought, I'll see about showing the up and the down orientations.
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Re: Keyway Identification and terminology

Postby Jacob Morgan » 12 Dec 2016 19:47

Original upload is now right-side up. I was thinking about showing them right side up, right side down (for profile cylinders and lazy installers), and then left and right for lever locks, but that would be too busy.

Recall seeing a deck of aircraft recognition cards in amongst my deceased father-in-law's things, from his Air Force days. Regular playing cards but with sketches of aircraft and their names. Someone needs to print up a deck of key way profile and key bow cards. I'd buy a pack.
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Re: Keyway Identification and terminology

Postby Silverado » 13 Dec 2016 8:35

Original upload is now right-side up. I was thinking about showing them right side up, right side down (for profile cylinders and lazy installers), and then left and right for lever locks, but that would be too busy.

Recall seeing a deck of aircraft recognition cards in amongst my deceased father-in-law's things, from his Air Force days. Regular playing cards but with sketches of aircraft and their names. Someone needs to print up a deck of key way profile and key bow cards. I'd buy a pack


This! +1, would buy!

I have a deck of cards that have pictures and facts about wild edibles. It's actually a really handy tool to keep in the backpack. Lighter than the books I have and much faster to thumb through and quickly ID a plant to know if it's edible!
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Re: Keyway Identification and terminology

Postby nite0wl » 25 Dec 2016 22:52

I have a deck of cards like that for naval signal flags and Morse code from my grandfather's navy years in WW2. A keyway/blank recognition deck sounds cool.
As for the Keyway/Section/Profile thing, I have seen keyway and profile used more or less interchangeably sometimes with an implied distinction that keyway refers to the cylinder while profile is used to describe compatible blanks. Section seems to mostly be used when discussing very large master keyed systems that include multiple keyways (I have seen them referred to as sectional master systems).
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