Single door access control

[globallockytoo]

I have one of these left.https://www.facebook.com/BioAxxis-Thumb ... 472967554/

I couldnt find another site for it.
It offers all the features you want.
You can have it cheap....I just wanna get rif of it. It's brand new in the box, but dicontinued

How would you install that on this door? You are just trying to sell your old junk.

We locksmiths are a pretty cluey mob. We (the trained ones anyway) have learned to master the art and craft of figuring a way to make it work.

Admittedly, the narrow stile is an issue, however nothing a shorter backset latch wouldnt fix. Then some packing plates to keep the body of the lock further from the glass. Might be an awkward install, but would prolly work.

[Tyler J. Thomas]

We (the trained ones anyway) have learned to master the art and craft of figuring a way to make it work.

but would prolly work.

Haha. Don't forget the custom conversion plate to fit the mortise hole/latch on the edge of the door.

[shutterstuff]

I submitted a bid with the Alarm Lock.

[cledry]

I have one of these left.https://www.facebook.com/BioAxxis-Thumb ... 472967554/

I couldnt find another site for it.
It offers all the features you want.
You can have it cheap....I just wanna get rif of it. It's brand new in the box, but dicontinued

How would you install that on this door? You are just trying to sell your old junk.

We locksmiths are a pretty cluey mob. We (the trained ones anyway) have learned to master the art and craft of figuring a way to make it work.

Admittedly, the narrow stile is an issue, however nothing a shorter backset latch wouldnt fix. Then some packing plates to keep the body of the lock further from the glass. Might be an awkward install, but would prolly work.

So you are implying I am not trained?

I just know the correct way to do the job outlined and a cylindrical lock is not the way to go.

[Tyler J. Thomas]

Eh, that's his deal around here. He's got to put in his 2 cents, right or wrong.

[Squelchtone]

easy ladies, you can go from 0 to catty very quickly. You're all professional locksmiths with years of experience. and everyone's got their favorite way of installing a lock, be it by the book or by Yankee ingenuity. Not all installs will be as impeccable as your expectations, but I agree that total hackery and mickey mouse handy work just to get the job done is not a good idea either.

here, calm yourselves and enjoy this funny comic:

[Tyler J. Thomas]

You literally just called his idea "total hackery and mickey mouse handy work" and we're the one's being catty? Haha, yeah ok.

[Squelchtone]

You literally just called his idea "total hackery and mickey mouse handy work" and we're the one's being catty? Haha, yeah ok.

You want that name change approved or you gonna give me lip? I didn't mean to say anything of anyone's work, simply that any locksmith work should be done professionally and not be duct tape and the quality of a part time handy man working out of the back of his Buick. I'm sure globallockytoo could mount that lock and it would work just fine, even if it overlapped the aluminum frame and didn't look factory. Worst case the OP could consider it as an idea if he was really in a jam, but obviously a clean install using the proper style lock for the door prep is the best idea always.

I think its good to see other ideas and opinions and not jump on people too quickly unless their idea is something really really hoakey.

Hope that explains my stance a little better,
Squelchtone

[Tyler J. Thomas]

You want that name change approved or you gonna give me lip?

Forget I even asked.

I didn't mean to say anything of anyone's work

Then it's my duty to let you know that "Mickey Mouse Work" has a negative undertones attached to it.

I think its good to see other ideas and opinions and not jump on people too quickly unless their idea is something really really hoakey.

No one said his idea was "hoakey". Cledry pointed out that it was "not the route to go". That's a fairly diplomatic and respectful response, especially after global's comment (which can be interpreted as a negative insinuation). I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of first saying that "trained ones" figure out a "way to make it work" and then following it up with "would prolly work". This, after all, coming from the same guy that recently said that any country that adopts the IBC doesn't allow double cylinder deadbolts on the front door of residences.

If anything this exchange should show that there are right and wrong ways to go about doing a job. Just because a solution is recommended that can secure a door doesn't mean that it's the right way.

Just like you make it a point to correct wrongs in other forums, such as people picking locks in use or asking how to repair/alter locks they do not own, for the greater good of the community, participants and lurkers, we're simply doing the same thing here by letting anyone know that reads this thread that you should not attempt his approach, at all, ever, under any circumstances.

And I'm not even saying based on appearance. I'm saying that because you don't secure a door with a latch in a conversion plate on an aluminium store front door. There is a reason Don Jo, and Mag for that matter, never has and will never produce them.

[shutterstuff]

I sure opened a can of worms...

[Tyler J. Thomas]

I sure opened a can of worms...

Nah. This is a great thread exploring options for securing an aluminum store front door with a standalone access control system. I'm sure people have learned and will learn from it. I wish more people bounced ideas around here. I learn a lot.

[Squelchtone]

You want that name change approved or you gonna give me lip?

Forget I even asked.

I didn't mean to say anything of anyone's work

Then it's my duty to let you know that "Mickey Mouse Work" has a negative undertones attached to it.

I think its good to see other ideas and opinions and not jump on people too quickly unless their idea is something really really hoakey.

No one said his idea was "hoakey". Cledry pointed out that it was "not the route to go". That's a fairly diplomatic and respectful response, especially after global's comment (which can be interpreted as a negative insinuation). I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of first saying that "trained ones" figure out a "way to make it work" and then following it up with "would prolly work". This, after all, coming from the same guy that recently said that any country that adopts the IBC doesn't allow double cylinder deadbolts on the front door of residences.

If anything this exchange should show that there are right and wrong ways to go about doing a job. Just because a solution is recommended that can secure a door doesn't mean that it's the right way.

Just like you make it a point to correct wrongs in other forums, such as people picking locks in use or asking how to repair/alter locks they do not own, for the greater good of the community, participants and lurkers, we're simply doing the same thing here by letting anyone know that reads this thread that you should not attempt his approach, at all, ever, under any circumstances.

And I'm not even saying based on appearance. I'm saying that because you don't secure a door with a latch in a conversion plate on an aluminium store front door. There is a reason Don Jo, and Mag for that matter, never has and will never produce them.

I'm not sure why you're getting so heated and upset... you seem very defensive, and very aggressive all at the same time. Nobody is attacking you and nobody is criticizing you, I am not trying to argue with you and nobody is saying I'm right and you're wrong, so take a minute and cool off. It's a nice Wednesday afternoon, the sun is out and I'm enjoying my day, you should as well.

You left in a huff a few months ago over that Sinifar thread where some quote from some famous book got you all bent out of shape and then you quietly came back a month later and seem to have been doing well, but I can see you still have a chip on your shoulder for some reason, be it against me or just in general. Whether you like it or not, I am the admin here and my job is to keep the peace, and I have to say that I've seen the most petty nonsense from the locksmiths here giving each other shit, (it's never the hobbyists when some drama happens) and then when I call people out on it everyone picks my words apart and backtracks to say "that's not what was meant, I'm not the bad guy here"

How about this.. globallockytoo shouldn't have been trying to sell his used lock here probably knowing it wasn't the right thing for that door style (or who knows maybe he didn't know it wouldn't fit or would look like crap) and cledry shouldn't have made the comment about selling old junk even though I know he was just having some good fun, (which I am totally ok with until it becomes serious and others jump in to pick on a person and choose to make it personal.) and then clerdy seemingly getting offended about the idea that he isnt trained and you piping up about how global is around here. Was any of that adding to the conversation here?

I'm not trying to start or have an argument or a debate with you, I just shake my head wondering why we cant have a few days of nice threads where people work together and solve a problem in peace and don't end up in some sort of drama or huge disagreement.

Regards,
Squelchtone

[globallockytoo]

Perhaps another alternative would be....

https://youtu.be/rd08r5qeuK0


I'd have put the link from my website....but you'd have all frowned upon me. I install these to Alum shopfront doors as well.

Worth a thought

[shutterstuff]

Nah. This is a great thread exploring options for securing an aluminum store front door with a standalone access control system. I'm sure people have learned and will learn from it. I wish more people bounced ideas around here. I learn a lot.

I learned too and in the other forums. Reminds me of the saying "The more I learn, the less I know.".

My original intent was to use a keypad and an HES style strike but I found the controller for such a setup was not cheap. I can work with electronic hardware but I am far from a programmer, so the idea of an Arduino (or similar micro controller) controlled lock is out of my league. But someday would be fun to play with!

[Tyler J. Thomas]

I'm not sure why you're getting so heated and upset... you seem very defensive, and very aggressive all at the same time. Nobody is attacking you and nobody is criticizing you, I am not trying to argue with you and nobody is saying I'm right and you're wrong, so take a minute and cool off. It's a nice Wednesday afternoon, the sun is out and I'm enjoying my day, you should as well.

I'm neither heated nor upset.

You left in a huff a few months ago over that Sinifar thread where some quote from some famous book got you all bent out of shape and then you quietly came back a month later and seem to have been doing well, but I can see you still have a chip on your shoulder for some reason, be it against me or just in general.

I don't even know who you are, much less harbor any sort of vendetta against you. The quote was stolen from a personal friend and mentor and I made sure he received credit.

Whether you like it or not, I am the admin here and my job is to keep the peace, and I have to say that I've seen the most petty nonsense from the locksmiths here giving each other shit, (it's never the hobbyists when some drama happens) and then when I call people out on it everyone picks my words apart and backtracks to say "that's not what was meant, I'm not the bad guy here"

There is a large, massive, immense difference between giving someone grief for the sake of grief and pointing out that a solution isn't, as Cledry said, the best route. The point of contention was the solution. I didn't take global's comment as any sort of slight of my ability. If he feels that's the way locksmiths should be, far be it from me to say differently. Only trying to point out that you don't do what he is suggesting.

Again, it was handled rather diplomatically.

I'm not trying to start or have an argument or a debate with you, I just shake my head wondering why we cant have a few days of nice threads where people work together and solve a problem in peace and don't end up in some sort of drama or huge disagreement.

Umm, there absolutely needs to be disagreement with erroneous and potentially negligent information. If shutterstuff, or anyone for that matter was not an experienced locksmith and took global's comment at face value and, God forbid, something did happen, eg. a break in that resulted in property or even personal injury, who takes the heat? Sure as heck isn't you, I, or anyone else on this forum. Any can you imagine any locksmith worth their weight in salt taking the stand as an expert witness? They would inform the court that a) this isn't a common solution at all and b) this is not an appropriate solution. Tort and bonds only go so far - we, in the United States, can be subjected to criminal prosecution if we mess up and someone is harmed as a result.

It's everyone's duty on here to point out potentially dangerous situations. You do not install a cylindrical latch on an aluminum storefront door. Why don't you? Because the integrity of the install is SEVERELY impacted by the use of an aforementioned conversion plate. It would not take much effort to pry and/or bend any sort of improvised tab/anchor and literally force the latch and conversion plate into the mortise of the door. We're talking about an aluminium alloy door here with the yield strength literally 1/7 of a low carbon steel.

I hear what you're saying - I completely disagree with it but I'll yield to you. Next time I'll just point out why he's wrong and hope it comes off as playing nice.