lock stuck in about 100 degrees rotation.. after the picking

[skasm4231]

so, i got this lock in my house:
http://i.imgur.com/aArkvG7.jpg
( what is F A B anyway? )

i picked it. after starting to rotate it always getting stuck in this point!
i thought this "problem" is only in the 180 degrees, i guess im worng..
so, what is the difference with this lock?
what kind of lock is that anyway? any special things about this one?

but of course the main question: how to pick it?! thanks!

[Silverado]

I am gonna have to reiterate one of the rules here:
Never pick a lock you depend on.
If it's bound up that way it's likely the driver pins have dropped into some sort of detent in the cylinder. That's the best guess I can come up with.

[skasm4231]

first of all thank!
lets say that you are right, how can i pick this situation?

[GWiens2001]

Hope it is not stuck with trap pins.

Gordon

[Silverado]

I'm not violating forum rules. We have no way of telling that is your lock. Good luck though!

[skasm4231]

okey right sorry i didnt think about that,
maybe you know what kind of lock is that? name? anything?

[skasm4231]

Hope it is not stuck with trap pins.

Gordon

what are trap pins?

[Squelchtone]

Hope it is not stuck with trap pins.

Gordon

what are trap pins?

Dont pick locks if you dont know how they work. I hope your trap pins arent wired to a picking detection sensor that calls the police if the lock is picked.

Trap pins:


Squelchtone

[capt.dunc]

i note that the op has said it always stops at this point, which suggests that they've done it more than once. so no trap pins or they wouldn't of got back without picking out.

the photo shows that's it's been picked in the locking direction, so i'm going to guess that the door is already "locked" and therefore the cam can't move the mechanism further.

always remember that there are 2 parts in the real world, the lock and the locking mechanism (bolt, latch etc) which it engages with.

[Mattches]

I am gonna have to reiterate one of the rules here:
Never pick a lock you depend on.
If it's bound up that way it's likely the driver pins have dropped into some sort of detent in the cylinder. That's the best guess I can come up with.

This is what I thought at first, too (especially with t pins). But if that were the case, it would also happen when opening the lock with the key.

[Silverado]

But if that were the case, it would also happen when opening the lock with the key.

I clearly overlooked that detail, but you're absolutely right. If it were the driver pins dropping into other holes there's nothing the key would do about it.

I was also thinking there's a possibility that he's turned it the wrong way. "Overlocked" Twice as secure now!

[Mattches]

"Overlocked" Twice as secure now!

Overlocked! I love it!

[dontlook]

I am gonna have to reiterate one of the rules here:
Never pick a lock you depend on.
If it's bound up that way it's likely the driver pins have dropped into some sort of detent in the cylinder. That's the best guess I can come up with.

This is what I thought at first, too (especially with t pins). But if that were the case, it would also happen when opening the lock with the key.

In both of the images posted by Squelch the , trap pins would not be able to enter the keyway, because the key and keypins would occupy the entirety of the keyway keeping the trap pins from entering the keyway.

[ltdbjd]

A couple thoughts.

FAB is the manufacturer. From the photo it appears to be a euro cylinder. Euro cylinders can be a pain. Many of them have the cam which swings out from the middle of the lock, as opposed to the end. I've had them lock up like that for several reasons. The three most common things I've seen include the cam getting blocked by something, the retainer clip breaking, or a master pin (typically .030 or smaller) getting wedged between the lock body and the cylinder.

As for the rule about not picking a lock you depend on, you have a bit of the problem. The euro lock will need to be rotated back to its original position to remove it. Since the cam swings away from the body, it will prevent the lock from being removed for repair.

There is a destructive bypass to remove it, however forum rules do not permit me to post additional details here.

[adi_picker]

Yes, FAB is indeed the manufacturer. FAB is based in the Czech Republic, and became part of the ASSA group in 96. They used to do a full range of locks, including some questionable quality looking locks I have spyed on Ebay from time to time. Looks like they may have been repurposed under ASSA, and may now only produce vehicle locks / security products. See --> http://fab.assaabloy.cz/en/site/fab/.