Masterlock #5 size with different options

[lemans81]

I could go into a long reason as to why, but basically I am buying one of these http://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-32-in ... /100189569

It says it is set up to accept Masterlock #5(in the comments a guy says #9 fits in his snugly), but Ideally I would like to avoid a key and masterlock. So basically if it exists I am looking for a lock the size of a #5(or #9) that has a dial combo on the bottom(4 digits if possible). I am willing to spend some money if needed(I need 2 locks so I would prefer to keep it under $120 total for the locks, ideally $100). If I have to bend I will go with a key but still need a decent lock(if I have to go masterlock....after watching youtube I might not get the thing), ideally one that can't be copied at a local walmart.


Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

[GWiens2001]

Really can not in good conscience recommend any padlocks with a combination on the bottom. We can not discuss bypass or decoding in the open forum, so will simply say that you are much better off going with a key lock.

Now if Stanton Concepts were to come out with their RKS system on a padlock, then heck yes. That would be a combination padlock that would truly rock! But unfortunately, nobody had purchased the rights to make the RKS lock system that I am aware of.

Until that happens... use a padlock with a key. A fairly inexpensive option without going high security is Commando Lock Company. Their padlocks use a nice variety of security pins including spool, double spool and serrated driver pins and some serrated key pins. They also use driver springs in two different strengths, making bumping more difficult. But they can be copied at a hardware store.

For something under $50 that can not be copied at Walmart or at the local hardware store, Security Snobs carries the Anchor Lås 820-2 padlock. It is a disc detainer lock, so it also can not be bumped.

There are a number of good options that use keys, even at a moderately low price. But a combination lock with the combination on the bottom... Not really.

I have no affiliation with Security Snobs, Anchor Lås or Commando Lock Company. I make nothing off the suggestions here. But have bought from Security Snobs and CLC numerous times, and can highly recommend them.

Gordon

[billdeserthills]

So Gordon what do you have against Sesamee? CCL Makes them and they make a lot of very good combo locks with the combo on the bottom

[GWiens2001]

They make a fine quality lock, but are not too difficult to decode. Can't go into details outside advanced forums. Have two of them, both came without combos. Decoded them both.

Gordon

[kwoswalt99-]

Can the Abus or Squire models be decoded the same way as the Sesamee locks? I would at least hope they are immune to the bypasses that work on the Master locks.
OP, what is the value of what you are storing?

[GWiens2001]

We can not discuss bypass or decoding on the open forum, guys.

Gordon

[QuantumEntangled]

To the OP:

Without breaking the rules let me say that locks with the 3 or 4 wheel codes/combos are just not secure. Like others have said, a keyed pin tumbler is far better--there are quite a few that are decent. Abus comes to mind and some American models. Depends on your security needs and what you wish to spend. There are all levels of security available--some have Medeco cylinders for example...that's just one higher security option among many. Remember that virtually nothing is pick-proof, but we don't want to make it too easy either

[kwoswalt99-]

We can not discuss bypass or decoding on the open forum, guys.

Gordon

I know that, all I was asking was that if those locks I mentioned are secure against your method. I didn't ask you to describe it.

[GWiens2001]

Was not just for you, kwoswalt99. Just keeping the thread from being bumped to advanced.

Gordon

[billdeserthills]

They make a fine quality lock, but are not too difficult to decode. Can't go into details outside advanced forums. Have two of them, both came without combos. Decoded them both.

Gordon

Master padlocks pick open fast sometimes too, O/P should get medeco or better

[lemans81]

I should add this will be used in a house to keep a medication seeker out, she has at times destroyed standard safe locks(not gaining access but destroying the safe in the process). The only reason for the combo lock is that its one less thing for me to hide(a key). She has no previous lock picking skills, but she will watch youtube and if I can watch how to rake a masterlock open, she surely can too. If it will make the difference I will spend what is necessary, if I had to go $100 per lock I could, but it just has to be worth it for this situation. She at times might be alone with the lock for up to 8 hours but again has no lock picking skills(other than trying to jam a screw driver in) and it won't be outside or exposed to anyone else who would want in. Please do keep in mind the size deal, I would hate to buy a $100 lock that won't fit, I do not have a favorite brand or anything, honestly up until a few days ago I was just a blind fool who bought masterlocks.

[billdeserthills]

One thing to keep in mind is there really isn't much room for lock picking tools, I know the few times I have been called on to open these boxes, picking is not easy, as most tension wrenches won't fit into the space provided. I would be very concerned that someone might put a screwdriver into a locks keyhole and mess it up so bad that your key will no longer open the lock. Honestly, the three times I have been called upon to unlock these type boxes, it was never by picking the master padlocks they have all been outfitted with. One nice thing is using this box removes the #1 weakness of a padlock, a shackle attack.

In your position, I might be tempted to just get ahold of a couple of magnetic keyed padlocks. They have no keyway to destroy, but they can be hard to find. Maybe you can find a couple on E-bay, I have seen them there in the past

I see plenty of the magnetic padlocks on E-bay, I wish I knew if they would fit, they are much smaller than a #5 master padlock

[QuantumEntangled]

If all else fails, call the cops and have the individual arrested. Press charges. I know it may sound unpleasant or even distasteful but some people don't respond to anything else. You tried a locking mechanism and your property was destroyed. That is extremely disrespectful and selfish. A felony record can work wonders sometimes as far as behavior modification is concerned. Again, just something to consider. Hopefully it can be resolved peacefully but if not, then you have a fail-safe.
Good luck

[jbrint]

I used to have one of these style boxes bolted in the bed of my truck. I used 2 cheap commercial master locks and welded 2 american puck lock shackles to it. Sat in the back of my truck for several years and was never broken into. At the time I had no knowledge of security and had several instances where people tried to pry it open but couldn't bust the weld. I had the master locks but the 2 keyed alike american pucks and shackles cost me $75 on eBay at the time. Just food for thought.

[Evan]

I should add this will be used in a house to keep a medication seeker out, she has at times destroyed standard safe locks(not gaining access but destroying the safe in the process). The only reason for the combo lock is that its one less thing for me to hide(a key). She has no previous lock picking skills, but she will watch youtube and if I can watch how to rake a masterlock open, she surely can too. If it will make the difference I will spend what is necessary, if I had to go $100 per lock I could, but it just has to be worth it for this situation. She at times might be alone with the lock for up to 8 hours but again has no lock picking skills(other than trying to jam a screw driver in) and it won't be outside or exposed to anyone else who would want in. Please do keep in mind the size deal, I would hate to buy a $100 lock that won't fit, I do not have a favorite brand or anything, honestly up until a few days ago I was just a blind fool who bought masterlocks.

It sounds a lot easier for you to just keep the medication she would try to gain access to with you rather than leaving it unattended. A 5 cubic foot tool box seems like over kill to keep some pills locked up in.

It also sounds as if you have not located the proper type of safe and are using consumer grade easily available "safes" if the dials/handles have been broken off so easily. The application you are seeking to find is called an "internal control safe" and are basically a small metal strong box which can be bolted to the floor and opened with a keyed cylinder or combination lock.

~~ Evan