Does this actually exist??

[C locked]

I have seen the goop, there was an interview with the guy
who invented it.
He also invented instant hole and the left handed tension wrench.
Genius at it's finest hour.

I can't remember the company but im pretty sure W.E. Coyote could give you a reference
They seem to have a really good r &d department

[GWiens2001]

I have seen the goop, there was an interview with the guy
who invented it.
He also invented instant hole and the left handed tension wrench.
Genius at it's finest hour.

I can't remember the company but im pretty sure W.E. Coyote could give you a reference
They seem to have a really good r &d department

It is an ACME product.

Gordon

[Knots]

my guy was pretty cagey, wouldnt say much. He did mutter something about 'humming bird saliva' or something like that as i led him from the bar after getting him blitzed. Other than that, nothing. I was actually using a tactical voice stress analyzer (basically a lie detector) and although he would admit nothing, all his denials indicated very high stress levels indicating a probable lie. Will keep on this because i want to know more.

R

You used a voice stress analyzer on a drunk guy? If you really do even posses such a thing, a portable voice stress analyzer... Lol then you would know that the results would be skewed if he were intoxicated, on beta blockers or under the influence of drugs. This entire story reeks of Internet bravado however. As a professional locksmith, can I say the name of my business? The rules said you can't self promote, regardless, there is no magic goo or dust you can stick into a keyhole that magically takes the shape of the key needed to open it. If you actually just use common sense you'd realize that any such goo would only take the shape of the keyway as it is... With all the pins in resting position. Anyone telling you different has no idea what they are talking about. They aren't "lieing" as one member suggested.

Now, there is a very simple way we take an impression of the lock with a new epoxy, but you have to set each pin in its position by picking it and then keep pressure with the tensioner. You can then apply the epoxy which will give you an accurate impression after it dries.

You can use the epoxy without picking and it gives you an impression after it hardens of each of the pins, this will show you there the shear lines are on each of the pins. But this method doesn't always work because the epoxy hardens with inherent flaws, if you do manage to extract the harden resin without damaging it against the internal workings of the lock then you can file the hardened resin into a shape of the key based off where the shear lines are.

There is no magic to it and it takes skill and practice to even be able to apply the epoxy and shape the resin. For any beginner picker it would be almost useless. Just perfect your picking skills, you'll be glad you did, there are no shortcuts to becoming proficient. Bump keys don't always work, pick guns are hit or miss and really, understanding the why and how of a lock is - at least to me- half of the fun and the most interesting part.

Hope this helps and thank you.

[FoxMacLeod2501]

Thanks for the honest help, Knots, but almost every reply is in very sarcastic jest. As to everyone else: I just laughed. A lot. Thank you all.

W. E. Coyote... LMAO

[GWiens2001]

Thanks for the honest help, Knots, but almost every reply is in very sarcastic jest. As to everyone else: I just laughed. A lot. Thank you all.

W. E. Coyote... LMAO

Glad you got our humor.

Gordon

[Knots]

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the restricted forums? It is one thing to discuss the existence of top-level tactical items like goo,brass magnets, and birdbaths. It is another thing altogether to reveal to any kid with an internet connection how to obtain these things. Reckless and irresponsible in my view.

LOL trust me "little kids" know how to obtain things far worse than magic goo or rare earth magnets, brass magnets or nuclear material. It's comical that people think this is the only site with this information. When I was 14 and the Internet wasnt really a thing yet I found the anarchists cookbook. You think my parents wanted me knowing how to make "c4" out of bleach? There isn't anything in this site, advanced or regular members that any "kid with an Internet connection" couldn't find elsewhere.

[GWiens2001]

LOL trust me "little kids" know how to obtain things far worse than magic goo or rare earth magnets, brass magnets or nuclear material. It's comical that people think this is the only site with this information. When I was 14 and the Internet wasnt really a thing yet I found the anarchists cookbook. You think my parents wanted me knowing how to make "c4" out of bleach? There isn't anything in this site, advanced or regular members that any "kid with an Internet connection" couldn't find elsewhere.

I remember that book well, as well as others from that genre like The Poor Man's James Bond. Thanks for the stroll down memory lane.

Regardless, just because information is available elsewhere does not mean we need to provide it. Things change over time, but the owner of the site keeps things on the conservative side as far as information goes. He, correctly, wants to have a person be somewhat known before that person is permitted to see things that may be a higher risk if used inappropriately.

If you want to let your fingers do the walking at other places on the Internet, that is fine. We don't try to place any blocks on what is done by our members outside of this forum. But please don't fault us if we err on the side of caution.

Gordon

[mdnlocksmith]

Wow guys! Lots of not so quick pickers around huh!! Lol

[ltdbjd]

Hopefully the OP still lurks around the site. Mr. OP, you WERE on to something, despite all the grief everybody gave you. There was a white paper that explored this topic, though it wasn't actually for making keys to fit locks; but I think it's application would work with locks. It was more about filling subterranean spaces for ground movement studies and modeling, but the theory is exactly the same. I'm willing to bet somebody (with the the right amount of time and money) could actually develop it for this kind of use (key modeling). The title was "Meeting of Two Forces; Viscous Fluid Congealation and Low PSI Hydraulics for Suble Movements and Permanent Slipform Sets." It was a capstone/thesis for a Master of Science in Mechanical Engineering (at least that's what I think the equivalent would be in the US) from the Universidad de el Toro Mierda in Portugal (and yes, you can find it on line translated into English). It was written by a guy by the name of I.M. Barry Nyeev, and coauthored by Bill Guli (I could have his name backwards, it's hard to tell since in that culture they often use their family name first and their given name last).

There were some other papers written overseas by people who tried something similar to making a key using fluid forming and hardening techniques. I read one by a South American woman, Tri Kedme Agin and her husband Eweba Stard. A French guy by the name of Pullin R. Lakes wrote a independently published book on pin manipulation by use of air pressure. I saw on-line article on clay form hardening to be used like a key, written by some Swiss guy, Pillyur Hedout; but of course the frggin' lawyers had to get involved for patent infringement, so it's not available on line from any reputable websites. You can still find it though. I don't want to mention any names, lest I get sued myself. Let's just say I'd never let my friends use that law firm, Hee, Bay, Leaf, Ani & Ting, LLC.

I read something, I think it was an endnote in one of Deviant Ollams PowerPoints about a type of bypass (mods, take a deep breath, I'm not giving out details). He came across a device in development during one of his many appearances in the Netherlands for Toool that used an extra fuzzy pipe cleaner, bees wax and a heat source that was being developed by the Dutch company Baudit Huklien and Seenkur. It was an older presentation, so I'm not sure we're they are in the development process.

I'm sure most of you conspiracy theorists saw Enemy of the State. I'm not lending any credibility to your fantasies, but there was a directors cut put out. Not many people saw it. Apparently some federal agency with 3 initials saw it and had the federal courts make the producers pull it for "security reasons." Hope thinking about that doesn't disturb your sleep too much tonight (like it matters; sleeping with a tin foil hat and wrapping yourself in a tin foil blanket like a Jiffy Pop disturbs it enough). If you never knew a life before microwaves were invented, you won't get the Jiffy Pop reference, so ask your parents). Anyway, back to my point. In the Directors Cut, Gene Hackman doesn't use regular keys to open the chain link box he keeps his communications equipment in. He uses a gelatin based free forming ductile paste that he squirts into the lock, then sucks back out. Not only does it open the lock, but it changes the bitting too. The tool is real, we (the CIA) stole it from the KGB during the Cold War. Cold War? Again, ask your parents. And no, it's not in reference to the 1998 invasion of Antarctica by Lichtenstein (the country, not the '60's singer, though I'm fairly sure Roy Lichtenstein didn't invade Antarctica). It was produced in the USSR, by the government controlled Soviet company Kien Ubelyef Disguy. I think it was developed along with the Chinese straw corporation, Won Tea Beeleaf Anising???

So this post is getting longer than I had planned. In any event, you get the message. SHAME ON YOU for screwing with this poor guy. As you can see, he DID know something most of you didn't. Hopefully the OP will go on to develop this technology commercially and then rub it in your face. OP, you may find the following resources helpful:

Early Development of the Key; by Thismetal Ishot
Basic Metal Forging in Your Garage; by I.M. Onfire and Putt Meout
Thermodynamics of Heated Goo; by Skwish Hee, Runn Hee, and Neigh Pallum
Working in Restricted Keyways; by D.A. Im Itstite
The Future of Pen Testing; by Wrights Neetli and Does Nitsmeer
Lifting Pins Without Picks; by Cee Four and Jack Hammer

And the ever popular Lock Bypass Series:

Lock Bypass with Sharp Objects; Part One of a series, by Wears Myfingur
Lock Bypass with Heavy Objects, Part Two of a series; by Sheet, Mitow
Lock Bypass with High Heat Application, Part Three of a series; by Burns Kareem
Lock Bypass with Liquid Nitrogen, Part Four of a series, by I. Speeld and Froose M'Deek
Lock Bypass with Kinetic Attack, Part Five of a series, by I. Crushthumb
Lock Bypass with Sonic Blast Waves, Part Six of a series, by Ah Eymdef and Orgun S. Plode
Lock Bypass with Hydraulic Pressure, part Seven of a series, by P. Esi, Lossmi I. Withbaksprai


A have a substantial library, but I don't have everything. If you know of a helpful publication for the OP that can make up for your unkind teasing, please feel free to share.

[Robotnik]

Nice

Personally, my favorite inappropriate-for-open-forum lock book is "Twelve-Gauge Lock Defeat: Principles and Practices," by Schott M. Idekov

[ltdbjd]

Ahhh, okay. I didn't realize he wrote that book too. The only book I knew he wrote was, "Undercover Survival; Fast Draw Techniques from Front Waistband Concealed Carry." I think that one was illustrated by Havuseen Mybawls.

[MondoJon]

I'm having a good time reading all the answers here but I think the description accurately describes an Ace cylinder lockpick.

MondoJon