Lock Picking 101 Forum
A community dedicated to the fun and ethical hobby of lock picking.
       

Lock Picking 101 Home
Login
Profile
Members
Forum Rules
Frequent Forum Questions
SEARCH
View New Posts
View Active Topics


Live Chat on Discord
LP101 Forum Chat
Keypicking Forum Chat
Reddit r/lockpicking Chat



Learn How to Pick Locks
FAQs & General Questions
Got Beginner Questions?
Pick-Fu [Intermediate Level]


Ask a Locksmith
This Old Lock
This Old Safe
What Lock Should I Buy?



Hardware
Locks
Lock Patents
Lock Picks
Lock Bumping
Lock Impressioning
Lock Pick Guns, Snappers
European Locks & Picks
The Machine Shop
The Open Source Lock
Handcuffs


Member Spotlight
Member Introductions
Member Lock Collections
Member Social Media


Off Topic
General Chatter
Other Puzzles


Locksmith Business Info
Training & Licensing
Running a Business
Keyways & Key Blanks
Key Machines
Master Keyed Systems
Closers and Crash Bars
Life Safety Compliance
Electronic Locks & Access
Locksmith Supplies
Locksmith Lounge


Buy Sell Trade
Buy - Sell - Trade
It came from Ebay!


Advanced Topics
Membership Information
Special Access Required:
High Security Locks
Vending Locks
Advanced Lock Pick Tools
Bypass Techniques
Safes & Safe Locks
Automotive Entry & Tools
Advanced Buy/Sell/Trade


Locksport Groups
Locksport Local
Chapter President's Office
Locksport Board Room
 

Keedex K6 Master Follower = 1/2 Best Cylinder Wrench (ED211)

Information about locks themselves. Questions, tips and lock diagram information should be posted here.

Keedex K6 Master Follower = 1/2 Best Cylinder Wrench (ED211)

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 27 Nov 2016 14:30

Well I finally built a work bench in my basement so I can start tinkering with stuff at home. Had an idea to alter a Keedex K6 master follower to be able to adjust the timing of SFIC housings by making it able to interface with the two posts inside SFIC housings. They already make a great tool for this, the BEST ED211, but they are costly and only have a few uses (timing and mortise installation). You can also use them as a small hammer in a pinch :lol: . BEST also includes plastic timing tools with their mortise locks but they're small, black, light, and very easy to lose. Furthermore, I have used standard tip screw drivers for this purpose as well but on locks with a latch or bolt that's binding or tight against the frame? You can actually break the posts inside if you use too much force.

Image

Anyways, I wanted to try to accomplish this so I didn't need to purchase an ED211, which would cost money and use up additional space on the truck. It's small but trust me, this type of mentality keeps things simple and clutter free on the truck. I also have a mentality that tools, if possible, should have more than one use.

Image

Turns out, you don't need to alter it at all if you just to adjust the timing on a majority of housings. As is, they slide over and provide a decently snug fit, enough to adjust timing. But what if you wanted to test the function of the lock? It's not snug enough, but by sliding something between the slots on the K6, you can easily test even the most stubborn and binding lock. You can use your imagination on what to use if you're using it temporarily. I work on SFIC almost weekly so I want something permanent.

Image

I sandwiched some spring steel between the slots, cut it flush with the grinder on both sides, and then lightly hit both areas to create a "stake" of sorts to keep it there long term.

Image

I rarely utilize that side of the follower (I always check the top pins and springs even if I know the cylinder isn't master keyed) but I did make sure that I didn't screw up it's function by flaring the follower out by wedging steel between the posts. It did not.

Image

Since the posts aren't allowed to move outside the diameter of the K-6 follower, much like they aren't with the ED211, there is very little risk of splitting the posts. I say very little because given enough force, no matter the tool, they will break - they're soft brass.

Anyways, something neat that I had an idea would work but not so easily. Might be a worthwhile alteration to make if you do a lot of SFIC rekeying.
Tyler J. Thomas
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 1133
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:57
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA

Re: Keedex K6 Master Follower = 1/2 Best Cylinder Wrench (ED

Postby jeffmoss26 » 27 Nov 2016 19:16

That is a great idea. I had one of the machinists at my old job make me a clone of the Best cylinder wrench out of brass and it works exceptionally. Delta lock also includes a very sturdy plastic wrench with their SFIC cabinet locks.

Image
"I tried smoking a blank once. I was never able to keep the tip lit long enough to inhale." - ltdbjd
jeffmoss26
 
Posts: 1090
Joined: 13 Jan 2012 15:01
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Keedex K6 Master Follower = 1/2 Best Cylinder Wrench (ED

Postby cledry » 27 Nov 2016 19:37

I use the plastic one from either Delta or Kenstan whichever comes to hand first. I have loads of those crappy black plastic ones Best sends out as well. I have a small zippered pouch where I keep my small easy to lose tools such as these plastic pin alignment tools.

I made one of the wrenches for threading cylinders in and out but in a pinch I have used a couple of large Allen keys.
Jim
User avatar
cledry
 
Posts: 2836
Joined: 7 Mar 2009 23:29
Location: Orlando

Re: Keedex K6 Master Follower = 1/2 Best Cylinder Wrench (ED

Postby cledry » 27 Nov 2016 20:18

Is the slot still long enough to do the old Sargent cylinders without needing a shim?
Jim
User avatar
cledry
 
Posts: 2836
Joined: 7 Mar 2009 23:29
Location: Orlando

Re: Keedex K6 Master Follower = 1/2 Best Cylinder Wrench (ED

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 27 Nov 2016 21:23

cledry wrote:Is the slot still long enough to do the old Sargent cylinders without needing a shim?


No. I'll have to use the follower set for those.
Tyler J. Thomas
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 1133
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:57
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA

Re: Keedex K6 Master Follower = 1/2 Best Cylinder Wrench (ED

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 27 Nov 2016 21:24

jeffmoss26 wrote:That is a great idea. I had one of the machinists at my old job make me a clone of the Best cylinder wrench out of brass and it works exceptionally. Delta lock also includes a very sturdy plastic wrench with their SFIC cabinet locks.

Image


Wow. Yeah that is very nice. He did a great job.
Tyler J. Thomas
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 1133
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:57
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA

Re: Keedex K6 Master Follower = 1/2 Best Cylinder Wrench (ED

Postby jeffmoss26 » 28 Nov 2016 16:27

It's amazing what a few sandwiches can get you - clones of the Keedex K6 follower, some nice solid brass followers with various ends, etc.
"I tried smoking a blank once. I was never able to keep the tip lit long enough to inhale." - ltdbjd
jeffmoss26
 
Posts: 1090
Joined: 13 Jan 2012 15:01
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Keedex K6 Master Follower = 1/2 Best Cylinder Wrench (ED

Postby cledry » 28 Nov 2016 18:00

I had a friend who is a machinist make a Keedex type master pin follower but for the larger Corbin/Russwin diameter.
Jim
User avatar
cledry
 
Posts: 2836
Joined: 7 Mar 2009 23:29
Location: Orlando

Re: Keedex K6 Master Follower = 1/2 Best Cylinder Wrench (ED

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 28 Nov 2016 20:03

cledry wrote:I had a friend who is a machinist make a Keedex type master pin follower but for the larger Corbin/Russwin diameter.


Oh now see, that is the bee's knees. Stupid me and carpentry as a hobby.
Tyler J. Thomas
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 1133
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:57
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA

Re: Keedex K6 Master Follower = 1/2 Best Cylinder Wrench (ED

Postby kwoswalt99- » 28 Nov 2016 20:49

Tyler J. Thomas wrote:
cledry wrote:I had a friend who is a machinist make a Keedex type master pin follower but for the larger Corbin/Russwin diameter.


Oh now see, that is the bee's knees. Stupid me and carpentry as a hobby.


Never too late to start another one.
kwoswalt99-
 
Posts: 1218
Joined: 17 Mar 2015 15:35
Location: Somewhere.

Re: Keedex K6 Master Follower = 1/2 Best Cylinder Wrench (ED

Postby jeffmoss26 » 28 Nov 2016 21:14

cledry wrote:I had a friend who is a machinist make a Keedex type master pin follower but for the larger Corbin/Russwin diameter.


That is something Keedex should make - I know they have one with a brass sleeve that goes over the top, but your idea seems a lot better.
"I tried smoking a blank once. I was never able to keep the tip lit long enough to inhale." - ltdbjd
jeffmoss26
 
Posts: 1090
Joined: 13 Jan 2012 15:01
Location: Cleveland, OH

Re: Keedex K6 Master Follower = 1/2 Best Cylinder Wrench (ED

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 29 Nov 2016 14:51

kwoswalt99- wrote:
Tyler J. Thomas wrote:
cledry wrote:I had a friend who is a machinist make a Keedex type master pin follower but for the larger Corbin/Russwin diameter.


Oh now see, that is the bee's knees. Stupid me and carpentry as a hobby.


Never too late to start another one.


I suppose. I'll have a carpentry related post later this week. Building something.
Tyler J. Thomas
Supporter
Supporter
 
Posts: 1133
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 20:57
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA


Return to Locks

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests