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First homemade lockpick issues

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First homemade lockpick issues

Postby sisk » 26 Dec 2016 22:36

So I just picked my first lock with my first homemade pick. Yay milestones and stuff. Unfortunately the pick, made from a hacksaw blade, is very soft with no spring at all. It holds up ok for lifting, but any sideways pressure at all bends it and it stays bent, just like any of the Goso picks that I bought for their case and immediately discarded. I'm not sure if I lost the temper or if the dollar store hacksaw it came from just had REALLY bad metal. So two questions here: Is it worth trying to retemper it and how likely is it that I lost the temper versus it just not having a good one to begin with?
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Re: First homemade lockpick issues

Postby GWiens2001 » 26 Dec 2016 23:03

Probably not worth trying to retemper the pick.

Next time you make a pick with a hacksaw blade, keep a glass of water handy. Every two or three seconds, dip the pick into the water. Do not allow the metal to get red when grinding it away. Better yet, use a hand file.

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Re: First homemade lockpick issues

Postby OrMeanGene » 27 Dec 2016 0:39

Its my understanding that some hacksaw blades use different material at core of it. Could be thats it not good steel.
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Re: First homemade lockpick issues

Postby Silverado » 27 Dec 2016 8:01

Was going to say the same thing OrMeanGene said. It could be that the blade had a softer metal core with a more rigid outer coating. The manufacturing process may not have involved through-hardening of the steel.
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Re: First homemade lockpick issues

Postby kwoswalt99- » 1 Jan 2017 20:39

Could be a bi-metal blade.
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Re: First homemade lockpick issues

Postby Jacob Morgan » 1 Jan 2017 23:15

If you touch a piece of metal against a grinder the complexity of the sparks that come off can indicate how much carbon the metal has. If the metal has sufficient carbon then it can be hardened. Rather than describing what sparks to look for, would be best to try out some samples of steel that are known to be hard and soft (i.e., high and low carbon) and observe the sparks.

If the steel is heat treatable, hardening it can be done, but it is tricky to evenly heat the thin metal of a pick without a) destroying it (as in melting or burning it), b) unevenly heating the pick, or c) missing just the right color in the tempering step. The pick here meaning the shank and tip (not the handle). Heating metal to such temperatures can also create scale which means that the picks will have to be re-polished. Personally, I would find metal of proper heat treat then cool it frequently during grinding as Gordon suggested. But if you want to try it, bring it to full hardness by heating to cherry red then quench (some use water, some use other things like olive oil, lard, salt water, etc.) That makes it hard, but hard enough to be brittle. Polish the pick, then in a slightly darkened area slowly reheat until it turns either yellow or just as it turns blue then set aside. That tempering backs off the hardness some so it will not be so brittle. If you click on the following link and scroll down to page 100 there is a how-to guide written by an old-time locksmith on hardening and tempering: http://tnlstore.weebly.com/uploads/4/3/7/3/43731111/vintage_tnl_1944_july.pdf I think that Eddie the Wire's video on making lock picks is on youTube and he demonstrates heat treating as well.
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