Ingersoll Talon oval cylinder question

[MiPo]

Hi,
I have this lock and was told it is a Ingersoll / Talon lock.


It's a great pick as it has tight tolerances, an open keyway and spools that need very precise setting.

But I don't understand which brand it actually is. So is it made by Ingersoll? On https://www.ingersolllocks.co.uk I couldn't find this kind of oval cylinder. And what is "Talon"? The keyblank manufacturer? And what does the symbol on key actually mean?

Thanks in advance,
Michael

[RedE]

Not sure about the brand of your lock, but ESLA in the UK seems to offer your keyway in their line of locks.

You can see their product line here: http://www.keyprint.co.uk/Attachment/DownloadFile?downloadId=107

And I do believe you have a Scandinavian type cylinder rather than an oval cylinder.

[MiPo]

Thank you. What's special on the Scandinavian type cylinder as mine seems to be oval. So is oval cylinder the wrong expression?

Not sure about the brand of your lock, but ESLA in the UK seems to offer your keyway in their line of locks.

You can see their product line here: http://www.keyprint.co.uk/Attachment/DownloadFile?downloadId=107

And I do believe you have a Scandinavian type cylinder rather than an oval cylinder.

[RedE]

I don't really know too much about the subject but...

It would seem that a British-style oval cylinder has a spinning cam that actuates the lock much like a euro cylinder, whereas the Scandinavian types do not have such a feature, and instead interact with the lock via positive contact at the end of the plug.

[Squelchtone]

I don't really know too much about the subject but...

It would seem that a British-style oval cylinder has a spinning cam that actuates the lock much like a euro cylinder, whereas the Scandinavian types do not have such a feature, and instead interact with the lock via positive contact at the end of the plug.

Thank you for pointing this out. I learn something new here every day. Always thought any oval cylinder that was not euro profile was also called "Scandinavian"

Squelchtone

[mhole]

It's a UK oval cylinder (or half of one). It's not an Ingersoll of any stripe, possibly the brand is related to Ingersoll-Rand, which is an entirely unrelated brand, who produce all manner of things, indulging Legge locks and Briton door closers.

NB: The linked Ingersoll site has nothing to do with Ingersoll, they're a reseller, entirely unrelated to the company who are now a subsidiary of Assa-Abloy.

[RedE]

It's a UK oval cylinder (or half of one). It's not an Ingersoll of any stripe, possibly the brand is related to Ingersoll-Rand, which is an entirely unrelated brand, who produce all manner of things, indulging Legge locks and Briton door closers.

NB: The linked Ingersoll site has nothing to do with Ingersoll, they're a reseller, entirely unrelated to the company who are now a subsidiary of Assa-Abloy.

So there are UK style oval cylinders that don't have integrated cams?

[mhole]

That cylinder had a cam before someone snapped it!

[Squelchtone]

That cylinder had a cam before someone snapped it!

Like this?

[RedE]

Wow, I couldn't have even dreamed of such a thing happening!

Thanks for the explanation mhole and squelchtone.

[Squelchtone]

It's a UK oval cylinder (or half of one). It's not an Ingersoll of any stripe, possibly the brand is related to Ingersoll-Rand, which is an entirely unrelated brand, who produce all manner of things, indulging Legge locks and Briton door closers.

NB: The linked Ingersoll site has nothing to do with Ingersoll, they're a reseller, entirely unrelated to the company who are now a subsidiary of Assa-Abloy.

found a photo of a box on ebay to confirm this is in fact Ingersoll Rand (Allegion (same co who owns Schlage)) and not the Ingersoll who was the namesake of the impregnable padlocks we all love.




Squelchtone

[MiPo]

Thank you Squelchtone. This picture is very helpful - what a funny name equivalence. Now I just need to find out what the symbol means.
Cheers,
Michael

[Squelchtone]

Thank you Squelchtone. This picture is very helpful - what a funny name equivalence. Now I just need to find out what the symbol means.
Cheers,
Michael

To me it seems the symbol is either a bird of prey's head and wings such as a eagle or falcon, or an individual talon.

[MiPo]

Oh yes, that could very well be. Thank you for the effort to add these pictures. I am German and just learned by your post the meaning of "talon" - I thought that it's just a name without any further meaning. The single "talon" makes perfectly sense.
Thanks for the lesson

[Silverado]

I was thinking a bird's head as well. The black triangle inside the design resembles a menacing eye of sorts. Then you have the lines in the top right sector of the drawing and it looks like if it were a bird's head, the bird has fish-like fin on top. Maybe it's a sea-bird...flying fish?
I spent a lot of time trying to get into the graphic design world when I was younger and can attest to this: When an artist makes something, they see what they see. All the explanation in the world will never make anyone else see the same thing.
I think that might be the case here.